[MMYoung]

Has anyone ever used Epistane? What are the primary uses for it (Anti-estrogen)?

epistane.com

[projecthatch92]

Epistane is a prohormone. What exactly are you asking?

[MMYoung]

I was wondering if anyone has taken it or knows anyone who has taken it and what kind of gains they have seen from it... Im going to Afghanistan in a few weeks and want a good Supplement to put on some LBs while im there... It supposedly eliminates Gynecomastia (I got a little from the Methyl 1-D/Masterdol stack I did a while back) as well as being a Pro-Hormone.

[projecthatch92]

M1d and masterdol stack? Let me ask you this, did you have any sort of PCT for this stack, or cycle support for that matter?

[MMYoung]

Nah I didnt think it was gonna be that serious so I really didnt look that far into it but now ive seen the I-GH-1 or whatever its called. Im taking Halodrol 50 right now and it says its not a Pro-Hormone so im not taking any support now either. Honestly id rather just go the other route and get my moneys worth for what im doin.

[projecthatch92]

Are you serious? M1D was basically an oral steroid before it was banned, and it was banned because of that, and because of people using it imporperly. No wonder you got gyno from it.

Do a little bit more research before you decide you wanna "gain a few lbs" from a prohormone that can do great damage to your body if not used properly. Put some hard work into the gym and your diet and then come asking us about prohormones and aas.

[MMYoung]

Any suggestions on what to do with the Halodrol? With it not being a prohormone I shouldnt need a support or PCT later should I?

[T.O]

its just a over hyped test booster, you will be lucky to get anything from it.

[projecthatch92]

he's talkin about the gel tablets right TO?

[T.O]

yeah the halodrol 50 liquid caps.

epistane will give you some gains, you need a cycle support and a PCT lined up bud if you run that stuff.

[projecthatch92]

Yes, and my PCT we mean a SERM, as in clomid or nolva, but clomid will work better. And some cycle support to help with blood pressure levels and keep your lipids somewhat in check

[MMYoung]

Well what would be a good PH cycle to grab before going down range? It will be easier to buy it now then it will be to get it down there but I will have access to the internet to do my research and get my **** strait before starting it. I will be in Afgan. for 12 months....

[T.O]

well being that most of them have been discontinued and you cant find them anymore, you are stuck to Havoc or Epistane.

[MMYoung]

Any suggestions on Support and PCT for both products?

[T.O]

you can go with something like this Elite Booster Pack - $147.99 : Orbit Nutrition

or pick up ANABOLIC INNOVATIONS CYCLE SUPPORT and CEL Formestane.

[mikeh40+]

epistane is a waste of money if you want the truth, i ran one cycle of it for 5weeks and all it did was mess up my good LDL, very mild PH with not much in terms of gains, a few of us logged our cycles of epistane, and the results were pretty much the same, a good boost in strength but not much else,

[MMYoung]

Originally Posted by mikeh40+

epistane is a waste of money if you want the truth, i ran one cycle of it for 5weeks and all it did was mess up my good LDL, very mild PH with not much in terms of gains, a few of us logged our cycles of epistane, and the results were pretty much the same, a good boost in strength but not much else,

Do you have any PHs you would recommend?
Everyone seems to be taking Methyl 1-D XL down range...

[projecthatch92]

You mean methyl 1d xl made by lg sciences? It isn't the real deal if that's what you're talking about.

the only ph's you'll really be able to find right now are havoc and epistane, as previously mentioned

[T.O]

Originally Posted by MMYoung

Do you have any PHs you would recommend?
Everyone seems to be taking Methyl 1-D XL down range...

go for it if you like DHEA and thats it. Oral DHEA sucks but as a transdermal its great.

[l DUB l]

Originally Posted by MMYoung

Has anyone ever used Epistane? What are the primary uses for it (Anti-estrogen)?

epistane.com

Originally Posted by projecthatch92

Epistane is a prohormone. What exactly are you asking?

Epistane is an oral steroid

Originally Posted by MMYoung

I was wondering if anyone has taken it or knows anyone who has taken it and what kind of gains they have seen from it... Im going to Afghanistan in a few weeks and want a good Supplement to put on some LBs while im there... It supposedly eliminates Gynecomastia (I got a little from the Methyl 1-D/Masterdol stack I did a while back) as well as being a Pro-Hormone.

gains my friends have seen aren anywhere in the 8-12lb

Originally Posted by MMYoung

Do you have any PHs you would recommend?
Everyone seems to be taking Methyl 1-D XL down range...

If anything you need to read up more, if you got gyno you really dont want any flare ups. The more knowledge you have the more confident you are in your cycle. If you dont know what supports to use then perhaps you should search around, see what others use etc.

If hormonal is the route you want to take none of us can stop you but I would suggest the following to get you started.

Bold----if you can find it
H-Drol
1-T
Havoc or Epi

as i stated.....you need to research more though.

[MMYoung]

Well with the gyno I have read that "Because of its long lasting and strong effects on specific tissue, Epistane? can significantly reduce and reverse the effects of gynocomastia because not only does Epistane? specifically block estrogen in breast tissue but it induces an estrogen-depleted condition which leads to apoptosis or the death of the breast tissue cells. Studies show that small doses of the parent compound, Epitiostanol, at just 10-20mg/week showed a complete disappearance of the mass and pain in 25% of the male patients in the clinical trail, while the other 75% of the patients showed at least a 50% reduction in the mass and complete loss of pain in just 4-8 weeks." This was what caught my eye....

[l DUB l]

Originally Posted by MMYoung

Well with the gyno I have read that "Because of its long lasting and strong effects on specific tissue, Epistane? can significantly reduce and reverse the effects of gynocomastia because not only does Epistane? specifically block estrogen in breast tissue but it induces an estrogen-depleted condition which leads to apoptosis or the death of the breast tissue cells. Studies show that small doses of the parent compound, Epitiostanol, at just 10-20mg/week showed a complete disappearance of the mass and pain in 25% of the male patients in the clinical trail, while the other 75% of the patients showed at least a 50% reduction in the mass and complete loss of pain in just 4-8 weeks." This was what caught my eye....

I would not rely on this to cure gyno

[MMYoung]

Ive read that Nolva or Clomid cure it over time but is there a faster more efficient way of getting rid of it or are these SERMs the best way?

[T.O]

serms are the best way like nolva or adex.

[l DUB l]

letro is a popular solution to ridding gyno

[T.O]

no letro is a suicide AI it shuts out all estro, you still need letro to grow, the only time i would say to use letro is if you were competing and need to get all estro out so you can be dry as hell. Letro is to powerful for a ph.

[l DUB l]

Originally Posted by T.O

no letro is a suicide AI it shuts out all estro, you still need letro to grow, the only time i would say to use letro is if you were competing and need to get all estro out so you can be dry as hell. Letro is to powerful for a ph.

I have heard it is quite effective in eliminating current gyno issues.

[T.O]

Originally Posted by l DUB l

I have heard it is quite effective in eliminating current gyno issues.

not trying to be a **** but i have heard many thing before that arent true. Why take a suicide AI to get rid of gyno and risk estro rebound then have gyno all over again....makes no sense to me and i am sure some of the gear guys would back it up that letro is not needed to get rid of gyno no matter what your taking unless your an ifbb pro.

[l DUB l]

Originally Posted by T.O

not trying to be a **** but i have heard many thing before that arent true. Why take a suicide AI to get rid of gyno and risk estro rebound then have gyno all over again....makes no sense to me and i am sure some of the gear guys would back it up that letro is not needed to get rid of gyno no matter what your taking unless your an ifbb pro.

your not...i understand. Id rather take raloxifene to combat gyno