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Old 02-24-2006, 12:30 PM   #121
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I have to say that I do get a good feeling in my lats doing DB pullovers though sometimes - and in the chest a little! They aren't amazing don't get me wrong but they aren't bad imo.
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Old 02-24-2006, 03:37 PM   #122
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i agree with ur rocky .. DB pullover is good finishing exersice for streching the lats along with pecs .. i get good feeling too in my lats when i use heavy wieghts .. but we claimed about arnold said that it expands ur rib cage which not true .. how can u expand ur bone :) ??!?!?!?!?!?
 
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Old 02-24-2006, 08:54 PM   #123
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i think he meant it while ou're younger like its still.."stretchy" in a way... kind of like the ribs havent fully hardened or soemthing like that
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Old 02-25-2006, 12:45 AM   #124
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Ronnie uses DB pullovers in his back routine, so they are obviously great for your back.
If it is where you guys are feeling them, then that pretty much is evidence to that fact.

I am not saying that some of the exercises mentioned are good if not great, BUT it really looks like a quiz for "Who can name the most un-used exercise and look smart". Remember begginers that visit the forum must not be elluded from the fact that the basics build the foudation of a strong and powerful bodybuilding or powerlifters physique.

No one person here can argue that the basic exercises that have been the mainstay of workouts for the last thirty years, are not the best.

The basics have built every impressive physique that we have admired and aspired to emulate. Not some wang fangeld style of powerlift cross gymnastic manover with a name no person knows, there is a reason why you don't knolw what they are, it's because they are not all that important.

I agree with hdogg about the hamstring exercises, you can not be complete without the "biceps of your leg" missing. P.s Love lunges too.
 
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Old 02-25-2006, 04:02 AM   #125
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i think he meant it while ou're younger like its still.."stretchy" in a way... kind of like the ribs havent fully hardened or soemthing like that
well .. kinda true .. but he mentioned when he was in his laterly '20 i think :)
 
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Old 02-25-2006, 04:07 AM   #126
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well .. kinda true .. but he mentioned when he was in his laterly '20 i think :)
yeah mate he did your right, probably another mind game looool. He was training his lats and telling everyone he was stretching his rib cage........nasty looooool
 
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Old 02-26-2006, 03:55 PM   #127
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Hdogg, can you plz explain some more about your list? Your list suprises me, which probably means you right that they are underrated/overrated. It are probably alot of noob questions, but if I ain't gonna ask it, no one is, most people are happy when they know something is overrated/underrated, but I would like to know why!

Why do you think push press is that good? It seems like a cheated militairy press to me? I understand that the extra weight you can use this way is nice in the excentric part and also build a good core, but wouldn't cheating be good in alot more excersises?

Hackquats, what exactly are the advantages of these compared to other squats? Same question for Zercher squats ( I know you didn't list them)

Board press/lockout. I understand that these are great for powerlifters, but why should bodybuilders care about them?

Box squat. There's alot of info around these, but why do you thik there that good? Once again I understand they are great for strength and thus powerlifters, but why for us? And it isn't the full ROM, I though bodybuilders had no business doing just below squats?

Decline work. I thought when you did flat work, the lower part of the chest would develop enough. You never hear people complain that the lowerpart is to little compared to the upper part, but the other way around you hear all the time. (Although I think people whine about upperpart/innerpart development way to soon)

And last: how do incline/decline skullcrushers differ from flat skullcrushers? Doesn't make sense to me, it's not like your tricpes is in another postion is it?



If someone else like to comment, plz do, but I would love to hear Hdogg's answer!
 
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Old 02-26-2006, 10:29 PM   #128
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Why do you think push press is that good? It seems like a cheated militairy press to me? I understand that the extra weight you can use this way is nice in the excentric part and also build a good core, but wouldn't cheating be good in alot more excersises?
It is, and you are correct about the extra weight for the core part, but its a great explosive movement, great for neural benefits such as increased motor unit synchronization, increase neural drive, etc. Plus its not really the kind of cheating that puts you at a compromising position, ie arched back on bicep curl, and it exposed you to a very high load.

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Hackquats, what exactly are the advantages of these compared to other squats? Same question for Zercher squats ( I know you didn't list them)
I dont like zerchers that much, but barbell hack squats are a great quad exercise, especially for the VMO, and you can go very heavy on them. Its just another effective varriation.

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Board press/lockout. I understand that these are great for powerlifters, but why should bodybuilders care about them?
U serious? Being stonger is better for a bodybuilder. These are a huge weight exercises which will surely expose the muscles to a high intra muscular tension, and will definately bring up your bench press. Show me a guy who can bench press 300 lbs for 6-8 reps who isnt huge. Weak triceps are often times a killer on a bench, how much does it suck having to stop at 6 reps in an exercise where if your triceps were stronger you'd get 8-10.I guarantee that lockouts will add more growth to the triceps than a set of rope pushdowns ever will.

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Box squat. There's alot of info around these, but why do you thik there that good? Once again I understand they are great for strength and thus powerlifters, but why for us? And it isn't the full ROM, I though bodybuilders had no business doing just below squats?
For one, at parallel is the point where the highest stress is placed on a patella. Two, most often, when you are squatting heavy, what happens when you fail? you get to the bottom and you lean forward and fall on the racks due to weak/inflexible hips. These will definately improve your regular squats and help with the important drive from the bottom. I'm not reccomending them exclusively, and they are by no means better than a regular squat, but they can be used very effectively. Bodybuilders can learn a lesson or two from powerlifters.

read this http://www.elitefts.com/documents/box-squat.htm

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Decline work. I thought when you did flat work, the lower part of the chest would develop enough. You never hear people complain that the lowerpart is to little compared to the upper part, but the other way around you hear all the time. (Although I think people whine about upperpart/innerpart development way to soon)

And last: how do incline/decline skullcrushers differ from flat skullcrushers? Doesn't make sense to me, it's not like your tricpes is in another postion is it?

Decline work increases muscle recruitment. Personally, i think the whole regarding the whole issue on "lower/middle" chest, the jury is still out. There is clearly merrit to the upper chest (clavicular head of pec major) but there is no head to the lower pec. Further, this is just another varriation, and is easier on the shoulders.
 
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Old 02-27-2006, 11:05 AM   #129
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^^ I like where you said being stronger is better for a bodybuilder! Amen to that! Powerlifting routines / techniques very much have a place in bodybuilding.
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Old 02-28-2006, 06:15 PM   #130
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^^ I like where you said being stronger is better for a bodybuilder! Amen to that! Powerlifting routines / techniques very much have a place in bodybuilding.
Should have known lmao, hows things bro, still lookin large??
 
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Old 02-28-2006, 10:38 PM   #131
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Should have known lmao, hows things bro, still lookin large??
Hey... you know how I do... If it aint heavy, it aint me!! lol. Thanks man.
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Old 03-04-2006, 05:25 PM   #132
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overrated : wide grip chin ups or cable-pull downs
shoulder presses ( cause the frontdelts are often trained by all pressing
movements, like bench , close grip bench, incline ....
underrated : bent over rows
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Old 03-10-2006, 09:20 AM   #133
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Underrated: Decline DB Flys

When I say decline I mean decline decline, as far as decline as you can go.

Another one would be T-Bar rows. I only see a few people performing these now a days at the gym I train at, besides me.
 
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