[jornT]

Originally Posted by q80_muscleHed

not to forget Jorn also :)

See! So protest the next time Pain bans me, the things you would mis without me!

So...















I think side raises are underrated too. :)
Well everyone does them though, but they all do it either super strict or cheat with there leggs from the start. I believed it was Larry Scott who did them like this:
take heavy weights (too heavy to do them strict), and don't cheat and raise the weight as high as possible, obviously, the more you raise them the more you're pulling against full gravity and so you get stuck somewhere, then do a little 'dip' and cheat with your leggs. This way you can use heavy weight and keep tensions high everywhere, instead of just high tension in the peak of the movement when you use strict form or cheat from the beginning.

[Lineski]

Originally Posted by jornT

I think side raises are underrated too. :)
Well everyone does them though, but they all do it either super strict or cheat with there leggs from the start. I believed it was Larry Scott who did them like this:
take heavy weights (too heavy to do them strict), and don't cheat and raise the weight as high as possible, obviously, the more you raise them the more you're pulling against full gravity and so you get stuck somewhere, then do a little 'dip' and cheat with your leggs. This way you can use heavy weight and keep tensions high everywhere, instead of just high tension in the peak of the movement when you use strict form or cheat from the beginning.

Interesting...while on the topic of lateral raises...
I also like doing side raises with heavy weights that you can only get about a third of the way up (Victor Martinez calls them "quarters") and then use lighter weights immediately after and do full reps.

Another one is if instead of holding the dumbells so your palms face the floor, you hold them so they face behind you and do raises like that (the dumbells would be perpendicular to the floor at the top of the movement), obviously with lighter weight. Charles Glass recommends them for more directly hitting the side delts.

[Ironslave]

Originally Posted by jornT

LOL, I wasn't trying to win anything! If I was you were the last person I would choose to go against!
I didn't want to point out that biceps does ****loads of work and more than the rotator cuf in a chin or something, just wanted to point out it did something, which almost no one is aware of.

Appreciate the input JornT, seems you're learning a lot, keep up the good work bud, and less off topic spam in the other sections and we will get along great, LOL.

[front_row]

Originally Posted by Lineski367

Interesting...while on the topic of lateral raises...
I also like doing side raises with heavy weights that you can only get about a third of the way up (Victor Martinez calls them "quarters") and then use lighter weights immediately after and do full reps.

Another one is if instead of holding the dumbells so your palms face the floor, you hold them so they face behind you and do raises like that (the dumbells would be perpendicular to the floor at the top of the movement), obviously with lighter weight. Charles Glass recommends them for more directly hitting the side delts.

I do my rear delt raises with palms facing back and it burns like hell, isolates very well

[Lineski]

Originally Posted by front_row

I do my rear delt raises with palms facing back and it burns like hell, isolates very well

Yeah, for rear delts I do four sets, usually two like that and two sets with my palms in, dumbells parallel to the floor. I like to start with the dumbells resting on the floor and do "phantom reps" (thats what I think of them as, I dont know what they're really called) without any weight where I contract my rear delts only in the exact motion I need to on working sets. Then when I've found that path I pick up the dumbells and repeat it with the weight. Good isolation technique

[Fry]

A technique that I employ at the moment is to hold side laterals at the top for five seconds above shoulder level. (first time I did this I couldn't lift my arms up because the shoulders where that fatiqued)

I find that laterals are a brillant exercise I believe there both underrated and overated.

Underated when done properly with no momentum and swing

overated if ur swinging your whole body to shoot the weight up

[PUMBA]

Well all I can say is I'm glad my "Cloak Of Invisabillity" is working. Because I know jornT wasn't telling me to shut the **** up as I insulted no-one. And I see my input as been of no help because Uriel, Hdogg and even jornT got thanked for input.............I swear where is the love??? That's it I'm not talking to any of you again............................................. .................................................. ............................................ ok I'm back so did you guys miss me????

Can't believe jornT got more respect then me, even Rocky said jornT was gay loool

[EvilDumbell]

Originally Posted by jornT

Can y'all guys shut the **** up plz about Uriel?
Wheter he's right or wrong, every time he gets in a discussion, I'm learning stuff from him and Hdogg. So can you plz go **** yourself because without Uriel and Hdogg response this thread would suck bigtime, and he might be right or wrong, the thing is, he contributed to the discussion.
So he might got owned or whatever, who cares, as long there's good info in the thread, and now you guys are kicking a man who's down and you weren't even the ones who put him down.

LOL ... blasphemous

[PUMBA]

Originally Posted by Fry

A technique that I employ at the moment is to hold side laterals at the top for five seconds above shoulder level. (first time I did this I couldn't lift my arms up because the shoulders where that fatiqued)

I find that laterals are a brillant exercise I believe there both underrated and overated.

Underated when done properly with no momentum and swing

overated if ur swinging your whole body to shoot the weight up

Hi bro, yeah awesome exercise. I try not to go above my shoulders as you take a little stress of the delt and bring the Trapezius into play.

[Fry]

Originally Posted by PUMBA

Hi bro, yeah awesome exercise. I try not to go above my shoulders as you take a little stress of the delt and bring the Trapezius into play.

That probably explains why have big traps Cause I don't actually do any upright rows and shrug movements and I have no neck. Probably the way Im doing laterals

[jornT]

Originally Posted by PUMBA

Well all I can say is I'm glad my "Cloak Of Invisabillity" is working. Because I know jornT wasn't telling me to shut the **** up as I insulted no-one. And I see my input as been of no help because Uriel, Hdogg and even jornT got thanked for input.............I swear where is the love??? That's it I'm not talking to any of you again............................................. .................................................. ............................................ ok I'm back so did you guys miss me????

Can't believe jornT got more respect then me, even Rocky said jornT was gay loool

Most ridicious post I ever read. Why do you post here, to get respect from other members so you feel good for the rest of the day? But if I get things right, you want me to insult you?

[Nothin' but a peanut!!]

majority of his posts are worth reading jorn unlike yours

[dgentry]

Damn this thread is screwed.... lol!!

Underrated: deads, and champagnes (hold 2db's together, palms facing and press,works the center of chest)

Overrated: Jay Cutler! lol

[Q80_MuscleHed]

LMAO at Overrated one Dgentry :)

[Nothin' but a peanut!!]

lol have to agree with you
mr jay gutler's ot nothing this year!!! haha

[dgentry]

:) haha ya'll silly...!

[deadman315x]

Overrated:

-Dips (for triceps)
-Chin ups (for biceps)
-Wide-grip pull ups/pull downs (for lats)
-Bench press (for chest)(big wow)
-Pushdowns
-SLDLs (for hams)
-Hypers
-Shrugs
-Back squats (for quads)(yes, I said it)
-Pullovers
-Any ab exercise

lol you only say theyre overrated because you're hella weak at them!

[PUMBA]

Originally Posted by jornT

Most ridicious post I ever read. Why do you post here, to get respect from other members so you feel good for the rest of the day? But if I get things right, you want me to insult you?

Surely not the most ridiculous, you need to read more smallbutgettingthere's work LMAO.

Hope you are joking and not pissed cause I got in on the infamous jornT & Rocky gay banter. I was only joking. Sorry if I offended you, ok **** it I'm not but it sounded nice loooool.

I didn't think I would have to tell jornT to take a joke, which is what I was doing, a sarcastic little joke about a "cloak of Invisibillity" considering it was me and Uriel discussing a comment made by Peanut about forearms (take a look if you like to read more ridiculous posts LooooooL). I think you posted one "Cut & Paste" and recieved thanks (what a scammer loooooooool). Take joke bro, hope all is ok with you cause you seem very serious lately.

No I don't post here for the feel good aspect only to learn, help where possible and to voice an opinion...as you will see unlike "some" I have not tried to bump up posts by going ballistic in the Post Whore thread......and very rarely waste time calling anyone gay (think you hold that record).
Don't know where your sense of humour as gone lately jornT, but you need tp find it as your post lack body without humour.
Later bro, hope your feeling ok.

I agree dgentry we all silly on this one I'm outta here............till next time!

Oh yeah think your right jornT about L.Scott he also advocated pronateing the wrist foreward at the top bringing the little finger to the top.......later this was rumour to help trigger or cause rotator cuff problems.

[EvilDumbell]

Originally Posted by PUMBA

Surely not the most ridiculous, you need to read more smallbutgettingthere's work LMAO.

I didn't think I would have to tell jornT to take a joke, which is what I was doing, a sarcastic little joke about a "cloak of Invisibillity" considering it was me and Uriel discussing a comment made by Peanut about forearms (take a look if you like to read more ridiculous posts LooooooL). I think you posted one "Cut & Paste" and recieved thanks (what a scammer loooooooool). Take joke bro, hope all is ok with you cause you seem very serious lately.

No I don't post here for the feel good aspect only to learn, help where possible and to voice an opinion...as you will see unlike "some" I have not tried to bump up posts by going ballistic in the Post Whore thread......and very rarely waste time calling anyone gay (think you hold that record).
Don't know where your sense of humour as gone lately jornT, but you need tp find it as your post lack body without humour.
Later bro, hope your feeling ok.

I agree dgentry we all silly on this one I'm outta here............till next time!

Jorn's been on the rags lately.... i tried to get him some tampons, but i dont know if he takes mini or maxi I tend to believe its maxi, but you can never be too sure.

[PUMBA]

Originally Posted by EvilDumbell

Jorn's been on the rags lately....

Yeah tell me about it, the moody bitch nearly made me cry anyway I gotta go powder my nose

[EvilDumbell]

Thought you might sign in msn for a chat.... but Prison Breaks about to come on, so ill be watching that :) before hitting the gym. LOL i must of spent an hour today bbqíng chicken breasts for the next couple days meals. Thats alot of breast :)

[PUMBA]

Originally Posted by EvilDumbell

Thought you might sign in msn for a chat.... but Prison Breaks about to come on, so ill be watching that :) before hitting the gym. LOL i must of spent an hour today bbqíng chicken breasts for the next couple days meals. Thats alot of breast :)

Gymin late tonight??? spose bit over an hours difference from me. **** prison break get enough of that **** at work loooool. Yeah love C.Breast myself. I cook (my girl cooks I should say) two days worth at a time.

[jornT]

Originally Posted by PUMBA

Surely not the most ridiculous, you need to read more smallbutgettingthere's work LMAO.

Hope you are joking and not pissed cause I got in on the infamous jornT & Rocky gay banter. I was only joking. Sorry if I offended you, ok **** it I'm not but it sounded nice loooool.

I didn't think I would have to tell jornT to take a joke, which is what I was doing, a sarcastic little joke about a "cloak of Invisibillity" considering it was me and Uriel discussing a comment made by Peanut about forearms (take a look if you like to read more ridiculous posts LooooooL). I think you posted one "Cut & Paste" and recieved thanks (what a scammer loooooooool). Take joke bro, hope all is ok with you cause you seem very serious lately.

No I don't post here for the feel good aspect only to learn, help where possible and to voice an opinion...as you will see unlike "some" I have not tried to bump up posts by going ballistic in the Post Whore thread......and very rarely waste time calling anyone gay (think you hold that record).
Don't know where your sense of humour as gone lately jornT, but you need tp find it as your post lack body without humour.
Later bro, hope your feeling ok.

I agree dgentry we all silly on this one I'm outta here............till next time!

Oh yeah think your right jornT about L.Scott he also advocated pronateing the wrist foreward at the top bringing the little finger to the top.......later this was rumour to help trigger or cause rotator cuff problems.

I posted something and recieved a 'thanks', which is cool, since Hdogg is one of my first inspirations (when I first came here, I didn't know more then somehow you got bigger if you lifted, didn't even knew you need food for that ) and his science based post maked me wanne be just like him and ever since I've trying to learn as much possible.

I don't see your point in 'cut and paste' comment? I'm pretty sure you didn't know everything in it, so don't tell me it wasn't good info, because some one else wrote it. Why should I translate it in my own words?

The thing is, I didn't post to recieve the thanks, but got it and you whined that you didn't get one and took it out on me. It wasn't my fault you didn't get a thanks. No I wasn't offended by it, I just responded and told you how I feel about it.

I don't see what my post in the post whore thread has anything to do with it? I don't really take it personal, but you seem to wanting to go that way, since you try to judge my other post, which once again has nothing to do with this. And you talk about my sense of homour is gone, but still brings on the point I call Rocky gay?

[PUMBA]

Ok looks like crossed lines to me....I have been light hearted all the way bro I was finishing up for the night when I typed that first one where you thought I was whining. Trust me I don't come here for love but enjoy mutual BB company including your, but you seem uptight lately and I hope I have not caused that cause I think your a cool guy. My home life is just dandy and loving I don't need a web site for that thanks just the same. loooooool

Sorry if I have offended you, it was not my intention as I said I enjoy your input, my humour has failed miserably. By the way you may notice I even shrugged off your remark about my rediculous posting, why are you so ****ty???

Yes your post was informative thanks. it had nothing to do with the debate myself and Uriel were having so it did not offend me so I am not pissed at you or anything....lighten up bro.

So if you see (looooool) understand I am joking with you and not serious, it is by far more obvious if I am serious about a topic.

I even asked if you were ok and past comment about L.Scott.

...**** I said sorry but I'm not going to spend the night crawling up your ass or piss in your pocket appologising all night I said sorry you except or you don't, up to you.

[EvilDumbell]

Originally Posted by PUMBA

Gymin late tonight??? spose bit over an hours difference from me. **** prison break get enough of that **** at work loooool. Yeah love C.Breast myself. I cook (my girl cooks I should say) two days worth at a time.

Yeah left it a little late tonight been busy , still tryna get it in though. Is it just me or do you only read the first 2 lines of Jorn's post and then skip to the next person ?

He seems a little pissed lately.

[Rocky]

I'll show Jorn some lovin later - hopefully that'll put a spring in his step.

That sounded a bit arrogant that. As if my loving was the best.









It is by the way.

[jornT]

Originally Posted by PUMBA

Sorry if I have offended you, it was not my intention as I said I enjoy your input, my humour has failed miserably. By the way you may notice I even shrugged off your remark about my rediculous posting, why are you so ****ty???

The first post I didn't take personal, but in the second you started judging my posts in the post whore thread and the misc section in general, so I had to take that personal. I'm happy yo hear you didn't mean it that way, so we're cool agian!

[Rocky]

Aah, kiss and make up boys...Video it and post it too...

[jornT]

Originally Posted by Rocky

Aah, kiss and make up boys...Video it and post it too...

Trade for mod status?

[Rocky]

Originally Posted by jornT

Trade for mod status?

lol! Wasting your time!