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Old 04-18-2005, 01:46 AM   #1
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hey read this at:
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/hst-02.htm
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Old 04-18-2005, 02:13 AM   #2
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Fullbody training is good if you are a beginner, but if you've been training for severeal years I don't think it's that good. This is only my opinion, and I've had my succes with with fullbody, actually trained it for a whole year or so in different types of trainingprograms.. HST, Sheiko, a fullbody 5x5. But now i really don't get anywhere with it fullbody.
 
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Old 04-18-2005, 02:37 AM   #3
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but i mean its not nessasry mean that u do full body routine....i ment the training frequancy as most people say u should hit each bodypart once a week if u are an advanced bodybuilder....but from wut this artical is telling us that researchers are saying like this u r limiting yourself from making the most gains as the muscle recovers in about 24 hours....so if u are eating and sleeping right woudnt u make better gains from training each body part twice insted of once but u give each body part 2 days in between to recover.....like u train each body part on a 3 day split and the begin again and take day 7 off.....and i think that its good for the people who use steroids cuz they recover faster.....dont u agree....
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Old 04-18-2005, 02:56 AM   #4
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sry i ment 48 hours....
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Old 04-18-2005, 02:57 AM   #5
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I agree that the old myth that u only train on bodypart once a week, is completly bullsh*t.. It's "Flex Mag. Science" ;0)
Actually the muscles recovers in about 36-48 hours (Read it on T-Nation.. Also by Bryan Haycock). Allthough there are other systems in your body that have to recover as well.
HST and the fullbody philosophy is saying that u have to train each bodypart 3 times a week, and it can be done with only a few sets per bodypart.
Is that my split you're talking about? if it is I take day 4 and day 8 off :0)
It has nothing to do with steroids, as I have done tougher trainingprograms clean. Your body will ALWAYS try to adapt any given challenge. As long as you don't train to failure and do forced reps you will be fine.. And always keep your training progressive. (more weights and/or more sets).
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Old 04-18-2005, 03:00 AM   #6
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y u think that its bad if i train to failure and do forced reps .....
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Old 04-18-2005, 03:05 AM   #7
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Because it's REALLY hard on your central nervous system, and it takes longer to recover than muscles take to recover.... What good is to have your muslces ready, if your cns is so burned out that you can't do a damn thing.
 
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Old 04-18-2005, 03:11 AM   #8
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but this is in case if somebody trains each body part more than once a week.......cuz if u train everything once isnt your nervous systm have more time to rcover faster......sry one more thing....isnt that the smaller body parts like biceps are less taxing on your nervous system if u train them to failure than the big body parts like quads...thx......
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"but this is in case if somebody trains each body part more than once a week.......cuz if u train everything once isnt your nervous systm have more time to rcover faster"

Yes, but then you don't have a training frequency that's high enough.. see the problem? :0)

As for the smaller musclegroups I don't think it's that taxing on the CNS to go to failure as it is for the bigger muscles.
Arms are also the only muslcegroups I go to failure.. But only once in a while.
But Usually I just stop one or two reps before I hit failure, and just take an extra set.
 
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Old 04-18-2005, 04:27 AM   #10
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A muscle needs moore than 48h to recover.
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Old 04-18-2005, 05:52 AM   #11
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Animalgen--> No.
 
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Old 04-18-2005, 10:31 AM   #12
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my current split has brought terrific results
Day 1-chest and tri's plus cardio
Day 2-back and bi's plus cardio
Day 3-shoulders and legs plus cardio
Day 4-rest
Day 5-start over
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Old 04-18-2005, 10:59 AM   #13
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Pretty good discussion guys, this is the stuff we like to see here.

Some of my feelings:

1) Training body part once a week- Depends on your current split. Say for instance my back is lacking, I will train it possibly 3 times in 8 days or some outrageously high frequency.

The once a week thing is pretty bullshit i agree. However, i think for a moderate-advanced trainee doing a non periodization split, you will need at LEAST 4 days to recover from the previous workout (unless you are doing a low volume powerlifting split like Westside): a typical split that is high frequency will look like:
1) chest/back
2) legs
3) rest
4) arms, shoulders
5) rest
6)repeat

2) Training to failure- one of my favorite topics!
I know what most of T-Nation says, and they are an awesome site, but i have set to see once where they used a word describing CNS fatigue other that "fry" or "taxing". That doesnt cut it. A "fried" CNS is called the Central Fatigue Hypothesis. To quote Dr. Samuels:

"It is believed that central fatigue is the result of numerous physiological changes including decreased glycogen stores, decreased branched-chain amino acid (BCAA) concentrations, and increased blood levels of free fatty acids (FFA), free tryptophan (fTryp), and serotonin (tryptophan is the precursor to serotonin)."

fTryp and BCAA's compete for absorption through the blood brain barrier, where fTryp is able to do this much faster, causing the increase in serotonin. Increased serotonin is the reason for inhibited CNS efficiceny. Because BCAA's become depleted during weight training, the fTryp levels are much higher than BCAA's, therefore fTryp is much more easily absorbed, by supplementing with BCAA's, the ratio of fTryp/BCAA will be equalized more, thus preventing the absorption of fTryp in the brain is not as efficient.

edit: Just wanted to point out that tryphtophan levels are really high in turkey, which is the reason you feel so lethargic after eating turkey.

Now that we know what CNS overstimulation is, we know how to easily prevent Central Fatigue, eat your ass off, and supplement with a good whey protein or BCAA's and this should not be a problem.

Training to failure is far superior than stopping a rep or two short. You may often hear the term "all or none" refering to muscle contractions, meaning the muscle either contracts or it doesnt, this is false. During a muscle contraction, you do not recruit all muscle fibers and motor units possible. However, by training to failure, you achieve what is known as full Motor Unit Activation. This means you break down as much of the muscle fiber (specifically do damage to the contractile protein, actin and myosin), which means it will build up bigger and stronger. Failure training also allows better Motor Unit syncronization, where the motor units all fire together in a more efficient pattern.
 
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