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Old 12-13-2005, 05:56 AM   #1
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Hey everyone (hey peanut),
I'm going to start high volume training in about a week and a half. Training each body part twice a week for around 2 weeks before I go on holidays. The training schedule I'm on now is 3x8 heavy. I just wanted to know when I start this if I need to eat more, or when I do a body part for the second time if I need to do it differently eg. 4x15. Just stuff like that. Any advice and help would be appriciated.
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Old 12-13-2005, 06:11 AM   #2
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Yo! If you're doing high volume I'd suggest eating more purely on the basis you're gonna be doing more work for an extended period of time, therefore your caloric intake will be slightly greater. However, I say this without knowing what your goal is (building mass/cutting down) or what your currrent calorie intake is.

With regard to training differently on your second workout of the week for that bodypart, I would definately switch it up a bit as it means you'll be hitting the muscle differently and also, less likely to get bored of doing the same routine and stagnating where you aren't introducing enough variety for your body.
Alternate your sessions into high rep and low rep and also change the actual exercises you do aswell to get a more rounded and varying routine.

Hope this helps!
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Old 12-13-2005, 06:18 AM   #3
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Yes thats helped alot thanks. As for my goal I'm trying to build mass, but as for my calorie intake i don't really take note, I just try to eat healthy. Also should I have 2 protein shakes a day? I could post up my training exerises if it would help you give me more advice.
 
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Old 12-13-2005, 07:13 AM   #4
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hey chesticles LOL (hey peanut)
see ask questions ppl answer you :)
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:33 AM   #5
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Still more questions need to be answered though.
 
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:23 AM   #6
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^^Keep 'em coming then bro!

As for the protein shake intake - it would probably be a good idea to take a couple a day especially if you're trying to increase mass.
To be honest I'm the same when it comes to couting calories. I just try to eat a good balance of protein carbs and fat at every meal and aim to eat every 2 1/2 to 3 hrs.

Put your routine up and let's have a look!
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:17 PM   #7
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Chest: Flat 3x8, incline 3x8, flies alternate each week between incline and flat 3x10-12.

Back: chin ups 3x8-10, bent over barbell row 3x8, deadlifts 3x8, every few weeks I'll throw in dumbell rows or wide gripped pulldowns or somethen like that 3x10-12.

Shoulders: standing barbell press 3x8, side raises 3x8, shrugs 3x6-8.

Arms: Triceps: french press 3x8, pushdowns 3x8, dips 3x10-12. I'll switch it up with kickbacks or close grips or skull crushers.
Biceps: standing barbell or dumbell curls 3x8, preacher curls or crossbody dumbell curls 3x8, concentration curls or on a decline bench with arms hanging over the edge barbell curl 3x8, either hammer curls or reverse barbell curls 3x 10-12.

legs: squats 3x8, leg press 3x8, leg curls 3x8, standing calve raises 3x8. about once every 3 weeks I'll do seated instead of standing.

For cardio i jog for about 20 mins every tuesday, and I'll start doing swimming on fridays soon aswell.
 
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:40 AM   #8
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If that's your current programme where you're going all out heavy for the work sets, that looks pretty good to me. Maybe might wanna add another raise into your shoulder routine ( bent over lateral raises would probably be an idea as the rear delts aren't getting too much stimulation from the other 2 exercises). Possibly do another hmastring exercise aswell so you're doing 2 for quads and 2 for hams.
Other than that it looks pretty sound.
What was your weekly routine gonna be when you switch it to high volume?
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Old 12-16-2005, 02:02 AM   #9
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Well it'll either be that in the morning or afternoon. I'm not 100% at the moment but I'd say it'll be 4x10-15 but I'm not sure about the exercises yet. You can suggest something if you will.
 
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Old 12-16-2005, 03:53 AM   #10
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I would just copy what ever that big guy from the gym does, you know that guy who goes out with Peanuts cousin..........LOL just kiddin How ya goin M...Chesticles?

Just me but I would take all those heavy sets and add 1 more so you do 4 working sets.

Also if you want mass don't be to concerned with Cardio, Just eat heaps of healthy food, drink buckets of water and sleep 8 hours....something that lazy old peanut does'nt need to worry about.

Keep your reps between 6-10 and stick with the basic compound lifts. eg. Squat, Bench, Deadlift, Barbell Curl, French Press(skulls). Do all your other lifts first and then smash each bodypart by finishing with the respecting compound lift. See how that goes dude.
 
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Old 12-16-2005, 05:02 AM   #11
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I see what you mean, but wouldn't I have to drop the weight back and may not get as many reps out if I'm doing compound movements last instead of first like I usually do? Any suggestions for exercises for when im doing the 4x10-15? Also, should I do the heavy set workout before or after I do the lighter workout, OR just switch them around?
 
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Try this dude, I did it for 4 weeks, I liked it and will start it again around Feb 2006.


Do you want to gain some lean muscle mass or do you want to get stronger? Typically you have to choose between these two goals when deciding how to train – but not any more! I’ve designed a program specifically for those of us who want to get both bigger and stronger at the same time.

The Size and Strength Conundrum - by Dr. Clay Hyght, DC, CSCS

Conventional training wisdom tells us that training for size and training for strength are two very separate entities. The combination of heavy weight and lower reps (1-5) is unanimously king for producing maximal strength gains. The key here is high tension placed on the muscle.

Getting experts to agree upon what, exactly, is best for inducing hypertrophy (growth) is a bit more elusive. However, it’s fairly well accepted that somewhere between 10 and 20 reps is best for inducing skin-stretching gains in size. The cornerstone of hypertrophy training is to put the muscles through a high volume of training.

Typically, most well-designed routines will have some degree of periodization to them. For example, remember my Big and Strong in ’04 article published right here in the Lean Body Coach? I recommended that you train with heavy weight and low reps for a few weeks followed by lighter weight and higher reps for another few weeks.

Though there’s certainly nothing inherently wrong with this, I have found that (though the end result is satisfactory) size doesn’t improve very fast when training for strength; and strength doesn’t improve when training for size, in fact it sometimes goes down a bit. Call me impatient, but I want to improve both at the same time. To appease my impatience, I brainstormed a bit to come up with a workout that implements high tension to optimize strength and high volume to maximize size gains – all within the same week. The program is elegantly simple, but don’t let that fool you. The results you will achieve will be astonishing.

Heavy Day, Light Day

To get your strength on its way up, you’re going to train each body part with one heavy day per week. And, to fill out your shirts better you’re going to train each body part with one high rep day per week. That’s right; you are going to train each body part twice per week. I know this flys in the face of the popular “train each body part once per week” dogma that currently prevails, but oh well.

Without further ado, let’s get right to the program.

Monday: Heavy Upper Body

1a) Barbell Bench Press 6 x 3 (6 sets of 3 reps)
1b) T-bar Row 6 x 3
2a) Standing Barbell Shoulder Press 5 x 5
2b) Pull-ups 5 x 5 (you may use an assisted pull-up machine or do pull-downs if you’re not yet strong enough to do pull-ups with your bodyweight)
3a) Skull Crushers 3 x 5
3b) Barbell Curls 3 x 5

Tuesday: Light Lower Body and Abs

1) Unilateral Leg Press 3 x 15-20
2) Lying Leg Curls 3 x 15-20
3) Dumbbell Walking Lunges 2 x 30
4) Seated Calf Raises 3 x 20
5) Crunches 3 x Failure

Wednesday: Off

Thursday: Light Upper Body

1a) Inclined Barbell Press 3 x 15
1b) DB Rows 3 x 15
2a) DB Lateral Raise 3 x 1
2b) Pull-downs to the front 3 x 15
3a) Preacher Curls 2 x 15
3b) OH DB extensions 2 x 15

Friday: Heavy Lower Body and Abs

1) Barbell Squats 6 x 4
2) Rack Deadlifts 1 x 8, 1 x 6, 1 x 4, 1 x 2
3) Dumbbell Stiff-legged Deadlifts 3 x 6
4) Standing Calf Raises 5 x 5
5) Hanging Leg Raises 3 x 8

Saturday: Off

Sunday: Off

Tying it all Together

The prescribed number of sets does not include warm-up sets. Make sure to warm up properly, but avoid needlessly fatiguing yourself prior to your upcoming work sets. Usually one or two light sets does the trick.

Exercises that are labeled A & B are to be done one after the other. For example, do a set of barbell bench presses, wait about one minute, then do a set of T-bar rows, wait another minute, then do another set of bench presses and so on.

In order to reduce the risk of overtraining, I’ve made it such that you’ll only train four days per week. To further reduce the risk of overdoing it, make sure to not do any forced repetitions (reps that a spotter helps you complete). On the heavy day, you should be able to complete your last repetition with good form. On the light day, stop a rep or two short of failure. Holding back from going absolutely all out is something that’s tough for me to do, and it may be for you, too. But I assure you, your patience will pay off in the way of steady muscle gains.

One of the most important, yet simplest ways to ensure your steady progress is to keep a training log. Keeping meticulous records allows you to intelligently plan the progression in your workout. As a general rule of thumb, try to improve (either five more pounds or one more rep) every other workout for a particular exercise. Trying to improve every workout would soon lead to stagnation and even regression, both of which you want to avoid like a Brittany Spears TV show!

Doing this routine for 12 weeks is sure to give you newfound size and strength. After adhering to the program for three months, take a week off. Then you could repeat the program but with the incorporation of different exercises.

Good Luck and remember what I said about Protien, water and sleep.
 
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Old 12-17-2005, 04:04 PM   #13
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^^^Looks like a pretty good routine - especially as a break from your normal prgamme before going back to a more muscle specific grouping of exercises.
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