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Old 11-13-2005, 02:37 PM   #1
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I absolutly neglect stretching in my training, never ever done it really...
So can you guys tell me everything I need to know?

- Do I need to stretch before training to prevent injury? I always do a five minute cardio warmup to get the heart pumping before starting my warmup sets, don't know if that has to do anything with it?
- Do I need to stretch between sets? For better/faster recovery between stes?
- Do I need to stretch after my training to prevent soreness netx day?
- How long does every stretch need to be?
- Any other advices?

And does anyone know a good site (with visualisation if possible) which can show me al the diffrent stretches for each muscle? Thx in advance!
 
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:02 PM   #2
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no
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yes
about 30 seconds

extreme streching
http://ironmass.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3915
this site has some good strechs
http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_1/126.shtml
here is a good article about streching
http://www.cmcrossroads.com/bradapp/...stretching.txt
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:23 PM   #3
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Extreme stretching....ouch....if you're gonna do that prepare to drop a few tears on chest day...
 
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:28 PM   #4
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I think you should stretch before and after your workout. I have experimented with stretching before and not stretching before. I feel a heck of a lot better when i stretch before. Normally before I workout I will stretch each body part for 2 sets of 10 seconds. doesnt sound like much but i do about 2-3 stretches per body part. on upper body days i just stretch upper body and on lower body days i stretch everything. after my workout i just do a quick stretch for each muscle group, normally a full body stretch. ill just do a set of 10 seconds for each stretch.
 
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:38 PM   #5
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1)no Dynamic streching yes Static streching no #1-5 in htis article are good before a leg day espically heavysquats http://t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jse...ydra?id=810548
2)no unless you are doing extreme streching. extreme streching is for during your workout say your doing chest/tri day after you lift for your chest you do the chest strech after you lift your tri lift you do the tri strech
yes Static streching after your workout is great. incresses your range of motion makes you feel good and argubly lessens your chance of injury

3)about 30 seconds for extreme and and static streching for the back strech when you hand from a pullup bar thats supost to be held for2-3 mins that is a good strech to relive tension in your back no matter what i highly recomend it

extreme streching
http://ironmass.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3915
this site has some good strechs
http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_1/126.shtml
here is a good article about streching
http://www.cmcrossroads.com/bradapp/...stretching.txt
let me elbrate

and for extreme streching i say the bicep strech hurts the most... ive gotten to the point were i can get to my knees while doing it and let me tell you the pain :p
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:45 PM   #6
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I dont know if i agree with this extreme stretching. some of the strethces look fine but using weight when stretching? The idear is to stretch the muscle and loosen it up, not put stress on it. Well, i could see doing extreme stretching after a workout, once you are warmed up and what not. but idk, just doesnt look safe to me.
 
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:50 PM   #7
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Extreme stretching is static stretching taken to the limit. You get all the beneficts plus you stretch your muscles' fascia (which makes protein synthesis, and therefore growth, much easier and considerably faster, and it also helps induce hyperplasia (bigtime strength gains!)).
 
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:52 PM   #8
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Extreme stretching is static stretching taken to the limit. You get all the beneficts plus you stretch your muscles' fascia (which makes protein synthesis, and therefore growth, much easier and considerably faster, and it also helps induce hyperplasia (bigtime strength gains!)).
ok, extreme stretching it is
 
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Old 11-13-2005, 04:24 PM   #9
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Do NOT static stretch before a weight training workout, you will experience decreased force output during the workout and thus a compromised workout.

Howver, one technique i have been experimenting with is antagonist static stretching before a set. For examble, if i am training chest, i will stretch my lats. The rational behind this related to the law of reciprocal inhibition, which means when the agonist contracts, the antagonist relaxes. By stretching having a further relaxed antagoinst, you may experience a more powerful contraction of the agonist.

Also, hyperplasia relates to the actual creation of new muscle fibers, either by activation of sattelite cells, or the splitting of new ones. The rational behind stretching inducing hyperplasia is taken from studies in animals, specifically birds, who experienced hyperplasia after EXTREME stretching techniques. In my opinion, this phenomenon is highly unlikely to occur in bodybuilders below the sub elite level. Massive bodybuilders may experience this due to the high intra muscular tension placed on and large hypertrophy of the muscle, however its not likely in the general population. It is unlikely extreme fascia stretching will create this phenomenon.

Finally, static stretching after a weight training workout has not been proven to reduce delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS).
 
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Old 11-13-2005, 05:21 PM   #10
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hdogg have youssen results with this antagonist static streching
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Old 11-13-2005, 10:18 PM   #11
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Hey bigDman, yes ive seen results since i started using this. Could be psychological, but the reasoning behind it makes sence to me, so i would assume it works. 2 chest sessions ago on bench press i got a weight for 6 reps, my next workout i tried the same weight with antagonist stretching and got it for 9 reps.
 
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Old 11-14-2005, 10:21 AM   #12
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I use DC extreme stretching and while I can't positively say it has led to strength and muscle gains I can say it has definitely decreased muscle soreness and sped up recovery time. The bigger the muscle the more the stretching helps I find, with quads and back receiving the most benefit and arms and delts the least.
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Old 11-14-2005, 03:07 PM   #13
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Also, hyperplasia relates to the actual creation of new muscle fibers, either by activation of sattelite cells, or the splitting of new ones. The rational behind stretching inducing hyperplasia is taken from studies in animals, specifically birds, who experienced hyperplasia after EXTREME stretching techniques. In my opinion, this phenomenon is highly unlikely to occur in bodybuilders below the sub elite level. Massive bodybuilders may experience this due to the high intra muscular tension placed on and large hypertrophy of the muscle, however its not likely in the general population. It is unlikely extreme fascia stretching will create this phenomenon.
Hyperplasia occours in anyone who lifts heavy. In a very small degree, but it does. Stretching "loosens" the muscle cells, making up room for new ones to be created more easily. Bringing the animals excuse is just silly IMHO. It happens in all tested animals, but wouldn't happen in humans? Please... Besides, hyperplasia is a result of human growth hormone. And guess what: everybody has it. We may not have nearly as much as the pros (mostly because we don't inject it), but we do have some, so it's only logical to assume that some hyperplasia occours, even if not nearly as much as in them.

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Finally, static stretching after a weight training workout has not been proven to reduce delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS).
It's been proven by my muscles over and over again. Plus if the muscle is looser it's obviously much easier to clean up.
 
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