[Ortega]

well the question is would running for about 1 or 2 miles a day be to much cardio while im trying to bulk up im looking for a way to cut fat % off while i bulk up thats not going to hurt my bulking. Could use as much insight as possible.

[ZiR RED]

Unless you are on drugs, in your first 3-4 months of training or are obese you cannot build muscle while loosing body fat.

Doing cardio is important for many reasons, just don't expect to gain mass while you are decreasing body fat. You'd find better luck attempting to convert lead into gold.

Br

[Ortega]

well right now i am 10.3% bf and my weight is 186lbs, and hight is 5'11" im back on my routine that i used to be on before i left for bootcamp and have been for a month and having pretty good gains its starting to slow down now that the first month of getting back into it is almost over which i expected so its not really that im obise im just trying to chizzle down the fat around the muscle i guess is a way to put it.

[ZiR RED]

As I said, you can gain muscle, you can drop body fat, but you cannot gain muscle and loose body fat simaltaneously.

Br

[Ortega]

well okay you seem like you are pretty experienced and know what you are talking about zid from reading threads and whatnot you have replyed to so maybe you can help me im going to post my week 1 results to week 4 results on here showing what has happend while i tried bulking off of what info i know about bodybuilding on week 4 tho i still have to have a back and bi day and a leg day so it wont be in there but after i get those days im going to switch to cutting because no matter how much i try i cannot get rid of the mushroom cloud i have around my lower abdomin, sides, and lower back and i was wondering if you could give your thoughts about my results and maybe help me come up with a good cutting routine i can start doing because this will be the first time that ive ever tried just cutting...
Week 1 results-
Starting Weights 191 lbs
Fat weight 27lbs,
Starting fat% 16.4 all as of october 16,2009
Workouts-
Bench- 135lbs, October 17, 2009
Incline Bench- 95lbs, October 17, 2009
Bent Over Barbell Rows- 135, October 19, 2009
Shoulder Shrugs- 275lbs, October 20, 2009
Shoulder Press- 95lbs, October 20, 2009
Cleans- 135lbs, October 20, 2009
Dead Lift- 135lbs, October 21, 2009
Back Squat- 135lbs, October 21, 2009

Week 2 results
Weight- 184lbs
Fat Weight- 20lbs
Fat%- 10.1%
Workouts-
Bench- 135lbs October 24, 2009
Incline- 95lbs October 24, 2009
Bent Over Barbell Rows-165lbs October 26, 2009
Shoulder Shrugs- 295lbs October 27, 2009
Shoulder Press- 135lbs October 27, 2009
Cleans- 135lbs October 27, 2009
Back Squat- 205lbs October 28, 2009
Dead Lift- 225lbs October 28, 2009

Week 3 Results
Workouts-
Bench- 135lbs October 31, 2009
Incline Bench- 95lbs October 31, 2009
Bent Over Barbell Rows- 205lbs November 1, 2009
Shoulder Shrugs- 315lbs November 3, 2009
Shoulder Press- 135lbs November 3, 2009
Cleans- 155lbs November 3, 2009
Back Squat- 225lbs November 4, 2009
Dead Lift- 255lbs November 4, 2009

Week 4 Results
Workouts-
Bench- 145lbs November 8, 2009
Incline Bench- 105lbs November 8, 2009
Shoulder Press- 145lbs November 9, 2009
Shoulder Shrugs- 375lbs November 9, 2009

But these are the results that i kept track of through all 4 weeks and the gains or non gains that ive had and i was wondering if you could help me come up with a cutting routine that would work fast to shave off my belly fat that i have that would not make me lose to much muscle while im doing it but anyone that can help me in this process that is experienced in it feel free to help any that you can..

[tps154]

Originally Posted by ZiR RED

As I said, you can gain muscle, you can drop body fat, but you cannot gain muscle and loose body fat simaltaneously.

Br

what about a recomp? maybe you cant 'build', but maintain? your thoughts Zir?

[ZiR RED]

tps: Yes, a good "cutting" program is structured around the goals of maintaining muscle mass while decreasing body fat. And a good "bulking" program should be structured around gaining muscle mass while maintaining body fat.

Ortega, I suggest 2-3 full body workouts per week in combination with HIIT cardio and a well thought out nutritional program.

Br

[Ortega]

hmm alright i will have to try that just out of curiosity are the full body workouts supposed to be heavy like you would go when bulking or should they stay light and more endurance type workouts?

[ZiR RED]

On the heavier side, you are performing them to maintain muscle size and strength, not increase muscular endurance.

Br

[Ortega]

alright that would work out then im pretty sure im going to switch to doing that thanks for the help zir by the way do you happen to know any good cardio routines that you might be able to help me out with this would be my first time just cutting

[tps154]

Originally Posted by Ortega

alright that would work out then im pretty sure im going to switch to doing that thanks for the help zir by the way do you happen to know any good cardio routines that you might be able to help me out with this would be my first time just cutting

follow the HIIT method... it can be anything from running, to biking, or swimming. it just involves high intensity intervals followed by low intensity intervals. i used to spring the straights on the track and jog the curves. its should be like 14-15 seconds hard running followed by 45 second jog