Is Deadlifts Really necessary?

freak_of_nature · 01-24-2009, 09:56 PM

Really, are they really necessary to put on mass?

**mikeh40+** · 01-24-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by freak_of_nature

Really, are they really necessary to put on mass?

most definitely , here`s why

Deadlifts is the undisputed King of all exercises. This power Exercise involves almost all muscles and is sure to give you an amazing Muscle Building & weight training workout.

Purpose -- To Build a a strong muscular Lower back.

If you want to do one exercise to work your whole body including Lower back, upper back, triceps, legs and buttocks then it should be heavy Deadlifts. Its the King of all exercises, a power exercise designed to build overall physique which uses more muscles than any other exercise. A Total Body Exercise worth doing every week.

Deadlifts is the best exercise for posterior chain muscle strengthening. This chain includes erector spinae, glutes and hamstrings. It is also the biggest Muscle Builder [ other than squats ] recruiting more muscle motor units than any other exercise. And lower back is the most important muscle of your body and for good reason - Stability.

KM · 01-24-2009, 10:20 PM

Deadlifts Lower back exercise - The Ultimate Muscle Building Exercise.

**Moro** · 01-24-2009, 10:28 PM

good posts guys i agree 100%

**Zack** · 01-24-2009, 10:38 PM

It's a multi-joint, total body exercise. It's the foundation of mass.

ProteinKing · 01-24-2009, 10:54 PM

how are triceps involved with the deadlift? i'm not doubting you at all just curious, i figured the bicep, forearm would be more invovled.

**islander** · 01-24-2009, 10:57 PM

mhmm multi-joint lol

good way of putting it zack, definitely a mass foundation builder. i tend to go heavy and low reps for some reason with deads so i never think of them as a 'mass' builder. you can only build your back so big (not including lats etc) wholy **** nobody freak out i just mean spine erectors are not a physically large muscle (well compaired to some i geuss). just do them lol, every one agrees there very important.

**islander** · 01-24-2009, 10:57 PM

wtf double post

tim290280 · 01-24-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ProteinKing

how are triceps involved with the deadlift? i'm not doubting you at all just curious, i figured the bicep, forearm would be more invovled.

They aren't. And biceps shouldn't be either, easiest way to tear the bicep.

Forearms and grip are worked very heavily.

I'm going to be different and say that deadlifts are a great exercise and one of my favourites. But you don't need to do them and I actually think Cleans and Snatches are superior. Although I don't think any trainee can call themselves a weightlifter unless they do deadlift and squat properly.

trainhard19 · 01-25-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tim290280

They aren't. And biceps shouldn't be either, easiest way to tear the bicep.

Forearms and grip are worked very heavily.

I'm going to be different and say that deadlifts are a great exercise and one of my favourites. But you don't need to do them and I actually think Cleans and Snatches are superior. Although I don't think any trainee can call themselves a weightlifter unless they do deadlift and squat properly.

cosign about the involvement of the triceps... all ur arms and shoulders r, or should be in the dead lift r hooks, nothing more... they r only there to hang onto the weight

trainhard19 · 01-25-2009, 01:34 AM

but im gonna have to say that deads r a necessity to a fully developed back... ronnie lived by deads and the man has the best back development in history... deads r the ****

cantfitmyjeans · 01-25-2009, 01:47 AM

are you kidding me? for me...it's such a great foundation for the back. i absolutely love doing deads because they feel amazing, it tests my strength, and i absolutely love the sound of the iron clanking against the floor. i'm telling you, once you start getting stronger on deads, you'll never do another back or leg workout without em.

Demon Knight · 01-25-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tim290280

They aren't. And biceps shouldn't be either, easiest way to tear the bicep.

Forearms and grip are worked very heavily.

I'm going to be different and say that deadlifts are a great exercise and one of my favourites. But you don't need to do them and I actually think Cleans and Snatches are superior. Although I don't think any trainee can call themselves a weightlifter unless they do deadlift and squat properly.

The biceps and triceps must be involved to a degree, as they connect your arm at the elbow joint. If they did no work, your arm would detach at the elbow.

Admittedly though, you shouldn't be working them "on purpose" i.e try to bend your elbows. Like you stated, that's a bicep tear waiting to happen.

Agreed, Cleans and Snatches are a superior exercise, but they require a great deal of technique, flexibility and balance. Squats and deadlifts are simpler and easier integrated into a workout.

Are deadlifts necessary? No. As a matter of fact, neither are squats. Squatting and deadlifting though will hit the major body parts and over 70% of your muscle mass. Try lifting something or someone off the floor without using your lower back or legs. Try pushing something or someone without lower back or legs.

Heavy leg & lower back work are the foundation of strength. Don't neglect them.

tim290280 · 01-25-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Demon Knight

The biceps and triceps must be involved to a degree, as they connect your arm at the elbow joint. If they did no work, your arm would detach at the elbow.

Admittedly though, you shouldn't be working them "on purpose" i.e try to bend your elbows. Like you stated, that's a bicep tear waiting to happen.

Yeh involved to the same extent that the calves would be or the chest would be. Tensed but not actually lifting or contracting against the weight.

chrispghmuscle · 01-25-2009, 08:53 AM

I agree with everyone on the deads and doing them properly.. Although,, Dorian, imo... had the best back in bbing..

Big MuMbO jUmBo · 01-25-2009, 09:58 AM

i agree chris dorian hands down best back....and deadlifts and or partials off a rack are great....i have been trying just a partial top lift because after legs i can't use my hams or glutes for anything and it feels amazing.....

chrispghmuscle · 01-25-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Big MuMbO jUmBo

i agree chris dorian hands down best back....and deadlifts and or partials off a rack are great....i have been trying just a partial top lift because after legs i can't use my hams or glutes for anything and it feels amazing.....

I've heard of this, but have never done them personally..

Big MuMbO jUmBo · 01-25-2009, 10:10 AM

oh man i love them i feel it more than doing a full deadlift you put the racks up to life the second whole from the ground and do it from there and it is all back....i get a back pump just thinkin about it lol i have such long legs that when i do full deads i can't really get the bar past be knees lol it annoying and my legs are dead from their own workout any way so i tried them and fell in love lol

chrispghmuscle · 01-25-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Big MuMbO jUmBo

oh man i love them i feel it more than doing a full deadlift you put the racks up to life the second whole from the ground and do it from there and it is all back....i get a back pump just thinkin about it lol i have such long legs that when i do full deads i can't really get the bar past be knees lol it annoying and my legs are dead from their own workout any way so i tried them and fell in love lol

oh well your tall, I'm 5'6" .. I can get 250 without straps and 315 for 2 sets of 3 with straps.

harmankardon1 · 01-25-2009, 10:23 AM

i definatley think deads are a very important mass builder no doubt. i no longer do heavy deads due to three bulging discs and nerve involvement in my lower back, i have been squatting heavy again and have seen good gains. so i think if u had to u could get away with not doin them sure, but if you can do them do them cause theyre a top mass builder

Big MuMbO jUmBo · 01-25-2009, 10:23 AM

ya i can pull up 405 for a few sets with the partials but can barely do 225 from the ground because my knees get in the way

**ZiR RED** · 01-25-2009, 10:41 AM

Dead lifts are really a lower body exercise, utilizing far more hips than back.

Any how, the acute increase in testosterone from low rep (4-6 rep) sets of dead lifts is unsurpassed.

Br

**under construction** · 01-25-2009, 10:58 AM

no they are not necessary but they increase your mass much quicker when used in your weekly regimen. They also are great confidence builder to know that you can move so much weight. So unless for some reason they are causeing you to be continually injured I'd use them.

b-dub- · 01-25-2009, 12:50 PM

never really done them, but some dude got mad at me, while he was preparing for a contest, i pulled 315 with no warm-up, wearing dress shoes, lol, he walked away!!!
maybe i should do deadlifts one day, if it doesnt bother my back.

trainhard19 · 01-25-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Demon Knight

The biceps and triceps must be involved to a degree, as they connect your arm at the elbow joint. If they did no work, your arm would detach at the elbow.

Admittedly though, you shouldn't be working them "on purpose" i.e try to bend your elbows. Like you stated, that's a bicep tear waiting to happen.

Agreed, Cleans and Snatches are a superior exercise, but they require a great deal of technique, flexibility and balance. Squats and deadlifts are simpler and easier integrated into a workout.

Are deadlifts necessary? No. As a matter of fact, neither are squats. Squatting and deadlifting though will hit the major body parts and over 70% of your muscle mass. Try lifting something or someone off the floor without using your lower back or legs. Try pushing something or someone without lower back or legs.

Heavy leg & lower back work are the foundation of strength. Don't neglect them.

the biceps and triceps have nothing to do with holding the arm together... the humerus is connected to the ulna by ligaments and when the arms is fully extended as it would be in a dead lift or if u were hangin from a bar, there is a hook that holds that joint together and keeps ur arms from detaching at the humeroulnar joint... the bis and tris have nothing to do with it... like i said before, all the arms and shoulders r in the dead r hooks to hold onto the weight.. with the exception of ur forearms...

Demon Knight · 01-25-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by trainhard19

the biceps and triceps have nothing to do with holding the arm together... the humerus is connected to the ulna by ligaments and when the arms is fully extended as it would be in a dead lift or if u were hangin from a bar, there is a hook that holds that joint together and keeps ur arms from detaching at the humeroulnar joint... the bis and tris have nothing to do with it... like i said before, all the arms and shoulders r in the dead r hooks to hold onto the weight.. with the exception of ur forearms...

I'm not sure trainhard. I'm pretty certain the biceps and triceps have everything to do with holding the arm together. Much like the rest of your muscles. Yes, the joints are structured to hold together but without the muscles, they would tear under the slightest of weights.

I agree though the arms should be used as hooks on a deadlift, no intentional movement there apart from gripping.

**Julio** · 01-25-2009, 01:32 PM

if the bicep and tricep aren't used to hold the arm together then whats the point of them being there, did evolution made a mistake?

i rarely did deadlifts when i started, i should have tho. Now i do them as much as i do squats.

**mikeh40+** · 01-25-2009, 01:34 PM

Muscles Worked
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there are several muscle groups worked,the major of these are highlighted in the pic,
now as for your forearm muscles, which are involved in gripping the bar, are used to a lesser degree, as well as muscles involved in trunk stabilization such as your obliques

**Zack** · 01-25-2009, 01:39 PM

Demon is right Trainhard. Think about it like this.... you do a bicep curl right? the tricep has to have an eccentric contraction to protect the elbow joint from over-flexion and keeping it together. This is the same theory essentially in terms of their recruitment in the deadlift. They have small contractions in each to keep the arms from becoming injured or over exerting themselves.

deLeo · 01-25-2009, 01:43 PM

cosign with everyone who said yes lol

the 3main necessities: bench, deads, squats. they use the most muscles at one time. any compound exercise is better than an isolation exercise if mass is your goal.