[WorkoutGuru]

Originally Posted by nmb1233

thats my philosophy also...you do the same thing over and over again you will see nothing... i havent had shoulder problems and i strengthen my rotators every other time i do shoulders so i think if im staying high enough on the pull overs i will be fine....as to keep the update im feeling fine today....chest is a little tight but not sore and i have already noticed a difference with the incline flyes.....norm if i do flyes its decline or pec deck so i think im gonna incoorperate incline flyes more often

Incline flyes are a great exercise. Just make sure you do them with proper form because incline, flat, and decline flyes all have different ROMs.

With incline, remember to keep the DBs above your chin, decline above sternum. Careful with the heavy weights, flyes are a very easy way to tear muscle.

[nmb1233]

thanks for the tip....i try to follow arnolds tips about hugging a big tree and coming about 3 inches apart at the top...as for the lower half of the rep i bend my elbows a little more to take stress off my shoulders and elbows.....good idea or bad?

[WorkoutGuru]

Yes, arnold's tips are correct. But here is what works for me for the lower portion of the rep:

Try to keep your elbows locked at one angle. This isolates the chest in the most efficient manner. If you change your elbow angle on the way up, you are recruiting more delt/tricep to help you out (which is ok if you are going heavy, but I wouldn't suggest going too heavy for DB flyes because of the high risk of tearing).

You should go low enough where you feel a COMFORTABLE stretch in your pecs. If you feel you shoulder is being stretched too much, you are obviously too low.

[nmb1233]

ok cool...so if im stickin around 10-15 reps the weight shouldnt be heavy enough to cause any problems right?

[WorkoutGuru]

It shouldn't be with the proper form. Form is everything with flyes, terrible form with light weight could do damage but I feel as if you know what you are doing so I doubt there will be any problems.

Good luck.

[nmb1233]

thanks bro appreciate the help wish i could give u some rep power but i cant

[ibanezman88]

i agree
flies aren't really gonna give you some huge mass anyway.

it's like leg extensions

they are a sculpting exersise and should be done with PERFECT form and in the 8-12 range. shouldn't be done heavy

[FronttaBackThickness]

Originally Posted by nmb1233

thats my philosophy also...you do the same thing over and over again you will see nothing... i havent had shoulder problems and i strengthen my rotators every other time i do shoulders so i think if im staying high enough on the pull overs i will be fine....as to keep the update im feeling fine today....chest is a little tight but not sore and i have already noticed a difference with the incline flyes.....norm if i do flyes its decline or pec deck so i think im gonna incoorperate incline flyes more often

yea, most people i know that do decline flies, im not included anymore, do them seldomly. def get that chest development top to bottom and incline and incline flies, dumbbells ect. build the top and your regular flats if performed correctly (and assuming u dont have wild genetics) should build he bottom to mid sections.
incline flies are great man. not to say that flats arent.
im rambling now. blah blah.

[Cricket_Fire]

they are a sculpting exersise

What does this even mean?

[nmb1233]

it means they are for definition not bulk

[Cricket_Fire]

Originally Posted by nmb1233

it means they are for definition not bulk

Can you really "define" a muscle with a specific exercise? Definition is based on bodyfat and water around that muscle. Doing different exercises won't change the genetic shape of a muscle

[WorkoutGuru]

True. But flies hit your inner chest unlike any other chest exercise. It gives your chest a better overall shape (by shaping the inner chest), not necessarily better definition.

There's no such thing as an exercise giving you better definition. That IS an issue of bodyfat, however, certain exercises can help you shape specific muscles.

[nmb1233]

put in better words thanks guru