[shaneaus]

hey guys just wondering i for shoulders can i do db shoulder press and then military press after or is that a bad idea any info helpful cheers

[crazytomie]

Are you just starting off? I do both, but that just me, i do my dumbells first and finshen off with the military press (i do mix it up, but normally) as i find i can get a better squezze with the both of the caps. Normally i'll go heavy in one set and a lighter with more reps in the other. Make sure you stay away from heavy behind the head movement unless u wanna say good bye to ur roator chuffs. At the end of the day find what works for you. If your just starting off, i would do roate the exercise from week to week.

[mr_bhana]

Ive started doin both in one WO, my shoulders are stubborn mofos

[slider88]

barbell first then dumbells to squeeze even more blood in there, then do lateral raises seated for a proper squeeze concentrating on every rep. then rear lateral raises to cap ur shoulders. many ppl forget that there are three heads in the shoulders and if u want perfect shoulder development u hav to use the rear delts.

[gym_addict]

my shoulder routine consists of

x4 seated db press (last two sets superset with db front raises
x4 standing Barb bell press with 2 sets infront of head and the other two behind the head super set with bent over laterals
x4 upright rows supersetted with laterals

[ZackKnight]

use dumbbells overall IMO. They're good for stabilizers and will give you more unilateral action. They'll both grow at the same time instead of one being able to help out the other and inhibiting growth from the other one

[F-111]

this is just my opinion but u could try doing upright rows and then db shoulder press (or visa versa) then go onto laterals and rears. works for me.

[ZackKnight]

the only issue i'd see there is that you wouldn't be able to do as much weight as possible with presses (the major mass building exercise) because of them being pre-fatigued with upright rows

[F-111]

agreed, hence the visa versa. plus itll keep em guessing. i personally do the press 1st then the row. im one of those ppl who really benefit from the row cuz of its ability to shape quite a bit of the shoudler depending on how you do it (grip, torso bend etc). but yeh it ur after strength and ultimately size it is ur press that will be responsible.

HOWEVER: as mentioned above, do NOT neglect ur rears cuz in 6 months u will look wicked from the front and shyte from the back.

[ZackKnight]

completely agree. if you want good delt caps you have to hit all 3 "heads"

[KM]

Here's what you need:

Anterior delt work
Lateral delt work
Posterior delt work
+ Personal additions (optional)

All that is needed. Military press/dumbbell overhead press is the "meat and potatoes" of your shoulder routine, and should require the highest power output. So, instead of placing highest stores energy on laterals/accessory exercises, put it towards the compound movements.

Personally, I start from compounds involving more of the musculature, to ones with the least. I'd do barbell first only because I prefer bilateral movements (if I do them and unilateral) before unilateral.

The decision is yours, not a big deal.

[YM123]

great response there KM, you may also want to train your traps on shoulder day as well,, sme people train them on back day its really just down to personal preference