[n88tr]

I have trouble most nights going to sleep, even if my body is completely spent, my mind won't rest. I usually go to bed around 1230 and wake up around 7 or 8am, depending on the day. I know I'm not getting 8 hours and that upsets me. I take green tea caffeine pills to keep my metabolism up and I thought they were supposed to wake you up too, but they don't do it for me. The bottle says take 3 a day: 2 in the morning and 1 before noon. I take 3 but it doesn't really wake me up. I've never tried coffee, should I get into it?

Once I first started taking casein it acted like a sleep agent, I literally fell to sleep 10 mins later. After about 2 months of casein [different flavor, thank jesus] I don't get that effect anymore.

I usually just stay up worrying, but always get to sleep at some time. Can I get any advice about going to bed at a more regular time, or help just relaxing for bed?

Thank you.

[allstar]

what time do you workout? the best time is around 5-7 so your body has time to slow down and than be able to get to bed at 10-11

[anthk]

man you dont understand well i guess you do how much i experience that. there were nights i was up trying to sleep for hours and i hated it so much. try to have a warm lass of milk or tea, or some valerium. i now take temazepam, not alot but from time to time. you have to be careful not to get hooked because you'll think you need it everynight because you won't sleep without it, be soft on taking it. the best advice i can give you is to mentaly be strong and try not to think about sleeping at all until you go to bed *you get what i mean*, exercise a bit more so you feel more tired later on at night *boxing and cardio is great IMO & trainign of course* and invest in some sleeping aid herbs.

as for simulate in the morning just have a protien shake with some fat burning ingridents. yerba mate, caffine, white willow bark and green tea together are some to name.

tell me know what you think!!!

[ZiR RED]

I suffer from insomnia often, and it is always stress or anxiety related.

First, you need to develop a bed time routine. Just like you probably have a preworkout routine: arrive, contemplate workout, change, ipod and motivational music, warm up, etc., you must develop the same before bed.

Here's mine:

3-4 Hours before bed I put on relaxing classical music.
2 Hours before bed I take 500mg theanine, 2g acetyl-l-carnitine
I turn my computer off 2 hours before I want to fall asleep.
I then watch a relaxing TV program for an hour: animal planet, discovery, etc.
An hour before bed I have 500mg magnesium and 50mg zinc
A little later I'll have a small bed time snack
I'll be in bed reading 45 minutes before I want to fall asleep.
Around the time I want to fall asleep, my eyes are heavy, I turn off the light, and I'm out.

If anything in here dramatically changes, especially if I don't read a non-intensive book (right now I'm reading bioenergetics by alexander lowen) and I just get into bed, my mind goes nuts and sleep doesn't come.

On bad nights I meditate.
I turn off all lights and sound.
I sit but naked in the middle of my room indian style.
I exhale as slow as possible making a "hummmm" noise.
After 10 minutes of this I picture all my problems as clouds.
Then I picture strong wind blowing the clouds away.
When the sky is clear, my mind is clear.
When my mind is clear I remind myself there is nothing. I am nothing. The buddah is not the bodhi tree. The mirror is not withstanding. If there is nothing, how could a speck of dust fall upon in.

Just some suggestions. Learn to relax.

Br

[anthk]

i tried the relaxing hmming and visulization, not the naked think though. it worked a few times

[Shwitt88]

cosign^
i do alot of the stuff zir red just mentioned. what really sucks is my roommate snores loud as hell and thats one of my biggest pet peeves so i wind up listening to my ipod while i sleep-for some reason mastodon has always helped me sleep a lot better even though its metal.

biggest thing - relax

[I 4m Legend]

Originally Posted by ZiR RED

When my mind is clear I remind myself there is nothing. I am nothing. The buddah is not the bodhi tree. The mirror is not withstanding. If there is nothing, how could a speck of dust fall upon in.



Br

dont you realize that thinking of nothingness destroys that with which you are trying to attain. just a thought. Nothingness exists only by itself. Therefore it is you who is creating that mirror.

[TheWall]

As ZiR Red said, he takes magnesium and zinc before bed. Try taking the same or even a pre-measured amount of ZMA. I had insomnia related to stress and ZMA and some proper breathing techniques put me to sleep.

Good luck, the wost thing in the world is not being able to go to sleep at the time you want to...

[Kaboom]

I only sleep 3 -4 1/2 hrs a night no matter what.I have tried sleeping pills,alcohol and even illegal drugs(in the past) nothing works.If it makes me sleep i wake up 1 hr later wide awake.
I lay in bed for hrs before i fall asleep.I do find the lite music helps relax me and gets me to sleep a little faster.I have to go to bed before my wife and fall asleep to the music before she comes to bed.

[n88tr]

Thanks anthk for the advice, I'll try some of those things out. My dorm is pretty spartan, just my laptop here, bed, refridge, and closets. I don't have a tv, game console, stereo, etc. Classical music makes me hyper but I'll try those relaxation bits out, thanks.

Kaboom, what about getting 8 hours sleep for full recovery... do you take naps like Coleman?

[Kaboom]

i try too but if i take naps half the time that makes it harder for me to fall asleep lol.Just imagine how big I would be if I slept 8 hrs haha.Seriously I will take 2 or so maybe 20 min napws during the day but after 4 I better not or I wont sleep at night

[chrispghmuscle]

I have kids, I have not slept very good in ohhh, 8 years.. I've gotten use to it..