[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by Freak

I found out that you can get melatonin in 5mg tabs. I take it that is for people who built up a tolerance to the 3mg. Starting off at 5mg seems crazy. I only take it as needed to keep my sensitivity high so when I do need it, it will work. Keep that in mind.

Yea, 5 mgs is like the max dose recommended from what i know. Otherwise its probably habit forming and probably messes with your natural ability to make your own melatonin which is never good.

btw, Freak, what decibel rating are you earplugs? Mine are 29s. I need to get something in the low 20s so i dont have to wake up 2 minutes after my alarm has been going full blast. These work great, but im sure that is annoying for others around me.

[n88tr]

I remember early early on, during my overtraining years, once I started working out, I was always tired and ready for sleep around 8 or 9 pm, I think my body wasn't at all ready for the workout I put it through. Also back then I did HIIT on the track for 30 mins, hard HIIT and then hit the weights. I did this everyday for like 4 months, that's how I lost all that weight, but I was OTing so much I didn't put on any size, but I did have strength.

If I could, I'd do more sets to tire myself out, but w/o good sleep, that's not gonna happen so sleep is what I have to focus on now, figuring out ways to tire myself out. My back hurts at the end of everyday, so I lie on my concrete carpeted dorm floor for 15-20 mins, that takes the pain away, straightens out my spine. I'm active on campus, walking 3-4 miles just from classes and the stores in town [shit town in whitewater, mostly bars, but I don't drink]. It's funny I can't convince myself I'm tired, most times I can convince myself I'm feeling a certain way or how I should feel, but not with sleep.

[<3Frosty]

Have you tried reading? I find that if anything, reading for two hours or so, if im tired physically, will tire me mentally as well.


Another good idea is to listen to some slower paced music and actually LISTEN to the lyrics. You can even listen to fast paced music if the former doesnt help.

[Freak]

I'm not sure Frosty. I got them awhile ago and don't have the box anymore.

[n88tr]

Thanks for tips guys.

This is gonna sound weird but I can't find the nutrition section on the site, clicking around, not finding it... a quick question for you guys

Defining hunger: If I eat at like 7 am but my next scheduled meal isn't until 930 at the earliest but my stomach rumbles and is tossing itself around making noises, should I eat at 900, or should I just wait till 930 and ignore my stomach. I want to be anabolic but I don't know if I should listen to my stomach or just stick the the schedule?

[Freak]

Eat at 9 or before. Click the bodybuilding dungeon link or main forum and scroll down. Listen to your body.

[crull]

i sleep very very unregular
sometimes i wake up after 1 hour, other times i sleep 12 hours, this night i slept 1 hour, woke up, slept 1 hour again and this 3 times and then i couldn't sleep anymore
and then there are some nights where i can't sleep i just can't lol
thats pretty fuc*ed up i think^^

[Freak]

Go to bed the same time every night.

[WorkoutGuru]

Melatonin should work for any type of trouble you have sleeping. It is released from the pineal gland deep inside the center of our brain.

In low light, or darkness, the pineal gland secretes the hormone melatonin. Melatonin has been connected to many body functions. If one references back to medical information written before the early 90's they may find no information on melatonin, even in medical dictionaries.

Melatonin production increases after dark. In the morning when sunlight hits the retina, production of the hormone slows. Light meals in the evening help improve sleep and maximize melatonin's anti-aging effects. Keeping a regular schedule and eating at set times increases hormone production. If we exercise or participate in any strenuous activity at night, we delay melatonin output. Stimulants and caffeine at any time of the day, but especially at night, slow or stop melatonin production.

And a little more about anti-aging for all you older guys:
Human growth hormone (HGH), dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) and melatonin are all free radical scavenging, antioxidant and anti-aging hormones. Melatonin may be the most efficient of the free radical scavengers, especially for anti-aging, since it has the ability to permeate any cell in any part of the body. Within the cells, melatonin provides protection for the nucleus, the central structure containing the DNA. Protection of the central structure allows a damaged cell to repair itself. If a cell can't repair itself, it can mutate and turn into a cancer cell. The enzyme glutathione is stimulated by melatonin.

Balance out your mental powers, get some sleep and slow the aging processes by "naturally" caring for your pineal gland.

[mikeh40+]

Originally Posted by Freak

I found out that you can get melatonin in 5mg tabs. I take it that is for people who built up a tolerance to the 3mg. Starting off at 5mg seems crazy. I only take it as needed to keep my sensitivity high so when I do need it, it will work. Keep that in mind.

yea i agree with the melatonin, i have been using it for years, i actually read where they used up to 20 mg for serious sleeping disorders, i know i take more than the average usually take around 18 mg at night,+ i use ambien cr the prescription medication, and there are times that i only get 4 hours of sleep from that, mostly its due to my work,not having a set sleep pattern,the sleep clinic`s have posted various information on whats called Circadian rhythm, here is a link Circadian rhythm sleep disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
sleeping disorders also run in my family from my mothers side, and out of 5 of my brothers and sisters we all have a sleeping problem, now my kids, 21 yrs old and a 16 yr. old daughter have the same problem, about the only way to address it in depth is to talk with your doctor if the common cure`s such as over the counter melatonin,herbal tea`s,pills, dont work, address if your stressed, taking any stimulants like caffine,fat burners etc. are in your diet,other factors are your work schedule, i work as a locomotive engineer so i have been on a 24/7 call schedule for 20 years, no set days off during the week and i get 14 hours off at home and then i`m on call from any point after that until i get my call for work, now if you think trying to figure out 14 hour`s from when you get off the train to the time you may possibly get called again makes for a crappy sleep pattern, yea its pretty bad, 90% of the railroad work force in, conductors, engineers, switch men, are using prescription sleep aids, but its not just this job its been proven that any job without a set schedule mess up your Circadian rhythm`s, also people who work nights also have the same problem, your body just is not set to be up at night, some things you can also try is a hot shower before bed, and like the others have said mood music, meditation(this i cant do,, my mind wanders around to other things, might be attention deficit disorder.haha) but seriously it is becoming a issue more and more,with allot of people, i feel everyone`s pain here when it comes to sleep.. hope you all get some good zzz`s tonight