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Old 04-16-2008, 11:38 PM   #31
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3500cals = 1lb no matter what ur doing
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:59 PM   #32
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3500cals = 1lb no matter what ur doing
1lb what? of weight loss? no way . . if we're talking 10% I need to lose about 20 pounds, 3500 is already more than I'm taking in at this point.
 
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Old 04-17-2008, 05:20 AM   #33
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no, like to lose one pound u need to lose 3500 calories.

Mind you that this is not in a day, it could be in a week for a deficit or it could be over time, but end of the day 3500 calories equates to 1lb

I was in my KIN class and that's what they told us.
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Old 04-17-2008, 06:46 AM   #34
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Yup, 1 pound of fat contains 3500 kcals.

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what type of training and cardio are you doing? The calories you burn during cardio are not nearly as important as the changes after wards. (Those who know me know where I'll be going with this)

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Old 04-17-2008, 10:13 AM   #35
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no, like to lose one pound u need to lose 3500 calories.
Oh, I got you - I thought you meant per day. That makes perfect sense.

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The calories you burn during cardio are not nearly as important as the changes after wards. (Those who know me know where I'll be going with this)
MWTF - 20 mins on the Elliptical Crosstrainer, burn about 300 cals each session.

Where are you goin with this? :)
 
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:24 AM   #36
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use HIIT (high intensity interval training)

and yes ZiR, I see where it's going haha
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:38 AM   #37
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and yes ZiR, I see where it's going haha
Where's it going????
 
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:41 AM   #38
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haha u'll see when he gets back.

he's really good at explaining it
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First of all, forget the elyptical even exists. I loathe the elyptical, I hold anyone without a warrantable injury that uses it in contempt. It is the most inefficient, potentially damaging piece of cardio equipment you can use. You dont employ your quads, hams, or adductors, thus your total mechanical work is less, thus your oxygen consumption is less, thus your caloric expenditure is less in relation to your heart beat. On top of this, there is no impact and thus no loading on the joints, so blood flow to cartelidge is far less, thus less hyelin (sp?) fluid is released, and no stimulation for cartelidge to adapt.

Phew. End rant.

That said, as I stated earlier, the physiological changes resulting from the exercise is far more important that the calories burned during.

Training using High intensity interval training results in up to a 9 times greater EPOC (excess post exercise oxygen consumption, where your metabolic rate is raised). It also results in a high secrection of growth hormone, and we all know growth hormones effects on fat metabolism. In fact, research shows one 30 second sprint to failure results in an elevation of gh secretion that lasts up to an hour.

Let me quote one very popular study:

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Impact of exercise intensity on body fatness and skeletal muscle metabolism.
Tremblay A, Simoneau JA, Bouchard C.
Metabolism. 1994 Jul;43(7):814-8.

The impact of two different modes of training on body fatness and skeletal muscle metabolism was investigated in young adults who were subjected to either a 20-week endurance-training (ET) program (eight men and nine women) or a 15-week high-intensity intermittent-training (HIIT) program (five men and five women). The mean estimated total energy cost of the ET program was 120.4 MJ, whereas the corresponding value for the HIIT program was 57.9 MJ. Despite its lower energy cost, the HIIT program induced a more pronounced reduction in subcutaneous adiposity compared with the ET program. When corrected for the energy cost of training, the decrease in the sum of six subcutaneous skinfolds induced by the HIIT program was ninefold greater than by the ET program. Muscle biopsies obtained in the vastus lateralis before and after training showed that both training programs increased similarly the level of the citric acid cycle enzymatic marker. On the other hand, the activity of muscle glycolytic enzymes was increased by the HIIT program, whereas a decrease was observed following the ET program. The enhancing effect of training on muscle 3-hydroxyacyl coenzyme A dehydrogenase (HADH) enzyme activity, a marker of the activity of beta-oxidation, was significantly greater after the HIIT program. In conclusion, these results reinforce the notion that for a given level of energy expenditure, vigorous exercise favors negative energy and lipid balance to a greater extent than exercise of low to moderate intensity. Moreover, the metabolic adaptations taking place in the skeletal muscle in response to the HIIT program appear to favor the process of lipid oxidation.
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Old 04-17-2008, 09:52 PM   #40
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I did actually have a knee injury, for which I've been seeing a physical therapist for the last three months. I'm almost done, though. I haven't done any kind of real running a long while, but I've been meaning to start.

Having a knee injury has the ability to turn one into a knee hypochondriac of sorts, so I've been hesitant to get back into running.

Your words have inspired me, though. This might explain why I've seen almost no fat loss despite having been fairly consistent with cardio on the elliptical in the past few weeks. Although I do need a belt for my jeans now.

Thanks again, man. I appreciate your help.
 
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:33 PM   #41
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and that's why ZiR is the guy to go to for HIIT
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:46 AM   #42
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Gonna jump rope too, I like jumping rope.