[tyler315]

whats the diffrence bewtween creatin mono and creatine ethyl ester. I know its striaght water wheight with the mono and you can loose it easy once u cycled of . I heard somewhere that with creatine ethyl esteru keep your gains.

[KM]

Water retention with creatine supplementation does not cause your muscles to seem "watery". The retention is intramuscular. Ethyl Ester seems to absorb much more efficiently and also supposively stays longer in your body.

I'm a fan of the plain ol' Monohydrate. What it is supposed to do has not yet been scientifically proven.

However, some people love. Just have to experiment.

[KM]

And wrong forum bud.

[ZiR RED]

Creatine ethyl ester degrades to CreatineINE at about a 25% greater rate in the stomach than monohydrate. Great looking supplement on paper, not so great in application.

Br

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by ZiR RED

Creatine ethyl ester degrades to CreatineINE at about a 25% greater rate in the stomach than monohydrate. Great looking supplement on paper, not so great in application.

Br

There also have been very little to no independent studies done on CEE that im aware of.

[KM]

Originally Posted by <3Frosty

There also have been very little to no independent studies done on CEE that im aware of.

Yup. No study has shown to prove of what CEE is constructed to do is actually true, or works.

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by KM

Yup. No study has shown to prove of what CEE is constructed to do is actually true, or works.

I think the vast majority of the lifting community is guilty of using some kinda creatine+plus supplement, i know i am. But, seeing results often speaks louder than studies or the lack thereof.


For the record, im on Phosphagen now, which is bulk creatine monohydrate.


Taking your own long term health in your hands is not something i want to do anymore. That's not why i eat healthy on a daily basis.

[ZiR RED]

Creatine monohydrate has been shown numerous times over to increase performance in short, intense activities. You can train with a higher intensity for a longer duration. IE: All out for 20 seconds instead of 16, and more bouts of this work.

It has not been shown to have any effect on recovery ability.

I have yet to see a study that shows long term side effects or any true elevation in liver or kidney enzymes when used correctly.

Another great aid people overlook is sodium bicarbonate (baking soda).

Br

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by ZiR RED

Creatine monohydrate has been shown numerous times over to increase performance in short, intense activities. You can train with a higher intensity for a longer duration. IE: All out for 20 seconds instead of 16, and more bouts of this work.

It has not been shown to have any effect on recovery ability.

I have yet to see a study that shows long term side effects or any true elevation in liver or kidney enzymes when used correctly.

Another great aid people overlook is sodium bicarbonate (baking soda).

Br

What would baking soda help exactly? Sodium seems like it would just help make fluids more like your blood. I cant remember the phrasing...

[ZiR RED]

It actually works as a buffer against lactic acid build up. Mix baking soda and vinegar, the base buffers the acid. The same occurs in your muscles. As lactic acid builds (the burn) performance decreases. You're no longer as powerful, cannot keep the same pace, handle the same weight, etc due to the physiochemical alteration in the muscle cell, the lowered pH.

About 4-5 teaspoons in water on an empty stomach an hour before will increase performance.

Want to see some studies?

Br

[Blitzkrieg]

Originally Posted by ZiR RED

It actually works as a buffer against lactic acid build up. Mix baking soda and vinegar, the base buffers the acid. The same occurs in your muscles. As lactic acid builds (the burn) performance decreases. You're no longer as powerful, cannot keep the same pace, handle the same weight, etc due to the physiochemical alteration in the muscle cell, the lowered pH.

About 4-5 teaspoons in water on an empty stomach an hour before will increase performance.

Want to see some studies?

Br

Are you serious? I've never heard of this before Sure I'd like to see some more on that if you don't mind Red, sounds interesting

[ZiR RED]

Here's one off the top of my head.

It seems (in practice) that people are having greater success with calcium bicarbonate in dosages of about .4-.5g/kg per day. Calcium has been shown to have positive effects on performance too, so if you are deficient in calcium......

J Appl Physiol. 2004 Jun;96(6):2050-6. Epub 2004 Feb 06. Related Articles, Links


Metabolic effects of induced alkalosis during progressive forearm exercise to fatigue.

Raymer GH, Marsh GD, Kowalchuk JM, Thompson RT.

Department of Medical Biophysics, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada. graymer@lri.sjhc.london.on.ca

Metabolic alkalosis induced by sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO(3)) ingestion has been shown to enhance performance during brief high-intensity exercise. The mechanisms associated with this increase in performance may include increased muscle phosphocreatine (PCr) breakdown, muscle glycogen utilization, and plasma lactate (Lac(-)(pl)) accumulation. Together, these changes would imply a shift toward a greater contribution of anaerobic energy production, but this statement has been subject to debate. In the present study, subjects (n = 6) performed a progressive wrist flexion exercise to volitional fatigue (0.5 Hz, 14-21 min) in a control condition (Con) and after an oral dose of NaHCO(3) (Alk: 0.3 g/kg; 1.5 h before testing) to evaluate muscle metabolism over a complete range of exercise intensities. Phosphorus-31 magnetic resonance spectroscopy was used to continuously monitor intracellular pH, [PCr], [P(i)], and [ATP] (brackets denote concentration). Blood samples drawn from a deep arm vein were analyzed with a blood gas-electrolyte analyzer to measure plasma pH, Pco(2), and [Lac(-)](pl), and plasma [HCO(3)(-)] was calculated from pH and Pco(2). NaHCO(3) ingestion resulted in an increased (P < 0.05) plasma pH and [HCO(3)(-)] throughout rest and exercise. Time to fatigue and peak power output were increased (P < 0.05) by approximately 12% in Alk. During exercise, a delayed (P < 0.05) onset of intracellular acidosis (1.17 +/- 0.26 vs. 1.28 +/- 0.22 W, Con vs. Alk) and a delayed (P < 0.05) onset of rapid increases in the [P(i)]-to-[PCr] ratio (1.21 +/- 0.30 vs. 1.30 +/- 0.30 W) were observed in Alk. No differences in total [H(+)], [P(i)], or [Lac(-)](pl) accumulation were detected. In conclusion, NaHCO(3) ingestion was shown to increase plasma pH at rest, which resulted in a delayed onset of intracellular acidification during incremental exercise. Conversely, NaHCO(3) was not associated with increased [Lac(-)](pl) accumulation or PCr breakdown.

PMID: 14766777 [PubMed - in process]

The study basically shows an increase peak power output and time to failure.

Br