[eat2grow]

people dieting for contests dont have much stored glycogen and fat stored after weeks of prep

[chrispghmuscle]

Originally Posted by robbyybt

But it also uses your muscles as energy and eats away at your muscles so it has enough energy to keep going. Also i believe that because you havn't eaten you are more prone to injuries. ( not too sure about that one ill look to see if i can find any evidence)
If it works for you then great and keep doing it but al im am saying is that it hasn't been proven scientifically to work to a greater degree than doing it after a meal.

Unless you know exactly how to cut down without loosing muscle your going to loose it anyway.. How much depends on you..

You don't have to be intense on cardo in the AM.. keep a nice pace.. You will not catabolize muscle that fast. Everyone looses muscle during a cut.. Its a fact that we all go through..

[KM]

Yeah. I think not having the energy to do it in the AM has to do with dedication and determination. If you want it, you have to go through all obstacles to get it.

[eat2grow]

i have energy at 9 the hell with 5! i usually have a banana before i start then comeback and load on whites and oatmeal

[chrispghmuscle]

HAHA,, its not for everyone buddy, if you want it bad enough you get outta bed and do it!!

[Badass_forever]

well guys after reading all this i think i should explain more. im 270-280ish. im 6'3 and about 20lbs over weight but i am very strong. right now im takin in around 260g of protien aday, but i will be tryin to hit 300g a day with about 20mins of fast walkin after training. go home, take my shake and about 45 mins after that i will jump on the bike for an hour. i will keep you posted on my weight drop. i will also try morning cardio 2 to see if it works better.. i will try the "after the gym" training first.. as of Monday the 14th i will start. and make records. and then i will let you know how much i lost. then i will go on to morning cardio and see how that works. when everyone starts tellin me differnt things it fucks me all up.. so i guess i will have to see what works for me!. thanks boys!

train hard! :)

[ZiR RED]

Science and facts aside (I can get into them if you want) but who would you rather look like:

An NFL running back?

Or

An elite distance runner?

I have done the cardio first thing in the AM on an empty stomach, it has worked. And Layne is correct, the body will metabolize itself (muscles into amino's for fuel), ESPECIALLY if you are already lean. Remember, the body's last form of energy is fat, fat is more dense than muscle, fat is what saved us from famine during paleolithic times, fat is what the body has evolved to burn last when stores run low.

Now, back to the first question I posed. Which physique would you rather have. That of Joeseph Adia, or that of Lance Armstrong?

Would you rather do 15-20 minutes of cardio at your liesure, burn 500 calories, and elevate your metabolism (which will oxidize fats for fuel to recover) for 8-20 hours after?

or

Would you rather perform 45 minutes first thing in the AM, burn 500 calories, some of which will come from muscle, and elevate your metabolism for an hour or two after?

EPOC is the secret. But its no secret, Flex Magazine and Muscle and Fiction just rewrite the same garbage information each month with new pictures of enhanced bodybuilders. In fact, they've rewrote less and less articles because 70% of the magazines now are advertisements. [end rant.]

Br

[KM]

Well, wouldn't the speed and determine the amount of calories you burn while running?

[Badass_forever]

NFL baby! the tank look for me :)

[chrispghmuscle]

Originally Posted by ZiR RED

Science and facts aside (I can get into them if you want) but who would you rather look like:

An NFL running back?

Or

An elite distance runner?

I have done the cardio first thing in the AM on an empty stomach, it has worked. And Layne is correct, the body will metabolize itself (muscles into amino's for fuel), ESPECIALLY if you are already lean. Remember, the body's last form of energy is fat, fat is more dense than muscle, fat is what saved us from famine during paleolithic times, fat is what the body has evolved to burn last when stores run low.

Now, back to the first question I posed. Which physique would you rather have. That of Joeseph Adia, or that of Lance Armstrong?

Would you rather do 15-20 minutes of cardio at your liesure, burn 500 calories, and elevate your metabolism (which will oxidize fats for fuel to recover) for 8-20 hours after?

or

Would you rather perform 45 minutes first thing in the AM, burn 500 calories, some of which will come from muscle, and elevate your metabolism for an hour or two after?

EPOC is the secret. But its no secret, Flex Magazine and Muscle and Fiction just rewrite the same garbage information each month with new pictures of enhanced bodybuilders. In fact, they've rewrote less and less articles because 70% of the magazines now are advertisements. [end rant.]

Br

All this is good information to have, but the bottom line is " when you find the time to do the cardo" is what matter's the most.

If you have time in the morning do i then, no one fully retains all there muscle throughout there entire life. You will loose muscle it's eminent. It's going to happen. You can however take steps to prevent it. casein powder at night into the morning will help prevent it. Time allowing.

If you have time at night after everthing is done, work, school, errands and such then do it then. If you have the energy and effort.

It comes down to what time works best for you.

Chris

[ZiR RED]

I'm long winded, I know.

2 points I wanted to make:

1. A small meal first thing in the morning before cardio will reduce the breakdown and oxidization of muscle cells into amino's for fuel.

2. High Intensity Interval training is superior to steady state cardio. AND takes less time.