[bigppoppa13]

what up guys, i jsut had a kickass shoulder workout, wow it was intense. after my workout, one of my buddies told me i was overtraining my shoulders. this is what i did today;

standing barbell press 4 sets
SUPERSET seated press on the machine and upright rows 4 sets
Shrughs 4 sets
SUPERSET lateral raises and front raises 4 sets
3 more sets of upright rows to kill my shoulders.

any chance im overtraining ? thanks for the help fellaws

[projekt0]

drop the second part of the upright rows and id drop the standing press. even with a belt its kinda bad for ur back

[deeturnerjr72]

I really like the Arnolds for shoulders. They feel really good, but Im just a dumbbell kind of person I guess
I usually do:


Barbell MP press 3x10
Arnold Presses 3x10
Dumbbell raises 3x10
Dumbbell presses 3x10/8/6pyramid

I alternate these in:
Shoulder press machine
Cable raises

If your routine is working for you without fatigue and your muscles are getting restored and growing then I guess its fine. I would take some advice from the pros on here though they will guide you wisely.

[Thomas_Rivera]

If your quality of workout is getting lower each time you get to the gym then your overtraining. If your doing fine then just go with it.

I personally don't superset so much.

[bigppoppa13]

about every 2 weeks i go up 5lbs in the amount of weight im using. my shoulders r getting so much stronger, so does this mean im not overtraining?..

i luv supersetting, it gets me so pumped

[HeavyWeightKiller]

Knock out the standing press, its bad on the back unless using light weight, i mean light. and your not over training them unless you hit them more then like 2twice a week, when im cutting i do 4day4days then 3days off, going upin weight isnt bad because thats how you get stronger. lol but just remember to warm up and stretch shoulders has one of the highest injury rates.

[Thomas_Rivera]

your only overtraining when your negativly effecting your gains by your trainign style.

[JakeVendetta]

although some over use the word overtrain, it does more then just limit your gains with weight lifting, it can affect your CNS, your immune system, and increase your risk for injury. I always go for intensity rather then volume, but thats just me if your making gains then why stop unless you feel worn down.

[Teamorbit]

Originally Posted by HeavyWeightKiller

Knock out the standing press, its bad on the back unless using light weight, i mean light. and your not over training them unless you hit them more then like 2twice a week, when im cutting i do 4day4days then 3days off, going upin weight isnt bad because thats how you get stronger. lol but just remember to warm up and stretch shoulders has one of the highest injury rates.

Who said standing presses are bad for your back? If done correctly there no different than seated presses exept for the isolation factor. If you use sloppy form than yes you can over arch your back you some people jerk there body to get a weight that cant control in the firs place, up. Standing presse or military presses are a great exercise.

[chrispghmuscle]

^^^
Cosign , Thomas and teamorbit

[monkeybiker]

Many you could question do you need to do that much. If you dropped some of the exercises or sets would your rate of progress be the same.

[Teamorbit]

^^^^Good question. Inmy opinion I think you can do less and definetly get the same results but its up to the person. I train using the Max-Ot method but if Im feeiling good I might throw in a extra work out. For example the other day I was doing dumbell bent over raises to hit my rear delts and they were pumped sticking out of my shirt so I went ointo a second rear delt exercise to take advatage of it response. Up to the individual.