[davidm3]

I train chest and back together after chest i do deads but i find that when im done with that i have no energy left to finish my back workout. where do you guys fit in your deadlifts?

[Thomas_Rivera]

I do deadlifts with back or legs depending on how i'm feeling that week.

Chest and back are too much of a burden to work together if you can't get through your back workout as well as your chest, its alot of lifting to do.

[davidm3]

Thanks for the quick reply, i think if i started doing deads on leg day i would be able to get through the chest and back workout so ill give it a try next week.

[Thomas_Rivera]

No problem.

Thats a good idea. It also might be a diet problem depending on how many excercises. How is your diet? And what does your routine look like on chest day?

[ourmartyr]

Day1- Chest(heavy) Back(light) Shoulders(heavy)
Day2- Legs(heavy) Arms(light)
Day3- Rest
Day4- Chest(light) Back(heavy) Shoulders(light)
Day5- Legs(light) Arms(heavy)
Day6- Rest
Day7- Rest

Think of day 1 as monday. and start from there. put deads in with legs. and only do deads on heavy days.

thats what i do, i just started it and it works great, i got it from a beverly no nonsense magazine.

[CrusaderMuscle]

I would suggest training chest and back separately in order to hit both your chest and you back very hard.

[davidm3]

my diet is okay but its not perfect it would look something like this:
meal#1) 3 whole eggs, 2 pieces of whole wheat bread, one pack of instant oatmeal.

meal#2) 1 scoop ON whey and 1 piece of fruit

meal#3) 2 peanut butter sandwiches and a muffin

meal#4) pre work out 1 scoop whey and 2 rice cakes

meal#5) post work out cup of apple sause and 1 scoop whey

meal#6) normally tuna, chicken, or turkey with rice or pasta and a salad

before bed 1 scoop whey.

My chest workout is something like this
flat bench press
incline bench press
incline dumbell press
weighted dips
pecdeck
decline flys

[Thomas_Rivera]

Theres your problem. Pre workout your having two rice cakes for your carb intake. Those are causing a spike and plunge in your energy levels because the carbs in them digest quickly.

Replace them with a serving of rolled or old fashioned non instant oatmeal, or whole wheat bread.

Your diets not perfect, but in terms of how your training, that pre workout meal is holding you back.

[davidm3]

thanks for the good advise. i never really thought about it that way but now i see the problem.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Diet is 80 percent of the battle, training is 60, and rest is 35.

What you eat everyday effects how well you do. If you need more information on dieting, check the nutrition forum and laynes post about nutrition.

Good luck.

Ps. eat your rice cakes with your whey after you workout, better to have the rice cakes than the fruit postworkout. The fruit will probably still have the fiber left in and not speed up digestion as quick as the rice cakes. Which you want postworkout.

[ourmartyr]

you should completely remove the instant oatmeal and go for organic quick or rolled oats and just blend them in your protein shake. thats what i do, and it works wonders.

[projekt0]

is instant oatmeal that bad for you if you're skinny and trying to bulk? cause i usually make 2 packets with milk and it's yummy