Shoulder debate!

HeavyWeightKiller · 08-10-2007, 07:03 AM

I was in the gym today doing shoulders and traps. i start shoulders with arnold presses to get things warmed up. and i have always done these by sitting on the end of a bench with my back arched and not straining with the weight at all. and middle of my set a personal trainer pointed at me and said his client never do it that way always have something against your back... i thought arching your back while doing them was right? and it would also help strengthen the lower back as well?...so was this guy a cook as a personal trainer or is my back really in danger? haha.

**chrispghmuscle** · 08-10-2007, 08:25 AM

Depending on you skill level and how much weight your performing, having you back supported by a seat that you can press against will help your back. You can strengthen your back by other means,, Dead's, hyperextension and other back movements.

What is your routine? including your weights per sets that you are performing.

Chris

**Teamorbit** · 08-10-2007, 09:28 AM

Well I say that the guys a dick for saying it loud enough for you to hear him. I would have thrown the duMbell at him. J/K

Any way ArnoldS though are not done for heavy weight but for range of motion. So you really shouldnt arche your back in Arnolds because that means its to heavy. If your arching your back in a shoulder press you either want to be standing up or sorry bro up against something. Seated with no support isolates the preassure in your lower back.

Dont worry bro thats not that big of a mistake. Wait until you see him training and if he does something stupid return the favor. HAHAHA

**YM123** · 08-10-2007, 11:33 AM

i would always have a support for my back, it is a delicate area of your body which is very easy to injure! keep to a back support bro. and stick to deadlifts for strengthening your lower back

HeavyWeightKiller · 08-10-2007, 05:59 PM

Alright haha thanks guys. Arnolds i do for warm ups so the max i do for them is 35lb dumbbells, so i thought i wasnt going to die haha. also i do standing military presses w/ a weight belt then when failure kicks in i dip the knees and start doing push press. then next i do side laterals then reverse pec deck for the rear deltoid also i read in Muscle mag that doing upright rows with your grip being wide and peaking the elbows more you target the back delt so i do those as well to finish...lacking back delts a little. and i try to stick with 4sets per exercise and aim for 12 to 8 reps as well depends on how im feelign that day.

**chrispghmuscle** · 08-10-2007, 06:01 PM

Try doing all your shoulder excersizes seat with your back supported..

Military presses, dbell presses, front dbell raisis, side. not rear,, ( ahahh) no not rear ones.

HeavyWeightKiller · 08-10-2007, 06:19 PM

Alright i will give it a shot i guuuuuesss. haha but seriously i will do that. but does anyone else have personal dick trainers at their gym or am i just lucky? lol

**chrispghmuscle** · 08-10-2007, 06:20 PM

your just the lucky one,, kick him in the nuts when he says that schit.. god

**Sparky_dustin** · 08-10-2007, 07:58 PM

Just a note, but you probably dont need to be using a weight belt just yet. By performing exercises without the aid of the belt it strenghtens your core muscles and allows you to handle heavier weights down the road.