How should a natural bb train?

MacBain · 05-28-2005, 08:24 AM

I always thought that as a natural you cannot do as many sets as somebody who's on roids and that you also cannot train too often cause otherwise you become overtrained.
Have you ever been to abcbodybuilding.com ? The people there say that this is not true and some of them seem to train the same muscle group multiple times a day and also use various shock methods. Are they nuts?

SmallButGettingThere · 05-28-2005, 09:03 AM

Roids gives you more energy when you workout and builds your muscle faster but the recuperation time for someone natural and idiots on roids should not be any different. Now training muscles again the on the same day? Not sure but training 6 days a week natural people can do.

H.I.T.m-a-n · 05-28-2005, 10:09 AM

You are wrong SmallButGettingThere! Recuperation time very differs. Why do you think muscles on roids grow faster? One of the reasons: because on roids can recover much faster, they need less time to recuperate between workouts. Ant that's why you can train each muscle more often.
I think natural bb have to train each bodypart once a week.

GoingBiG · 05-28-2005, 10:50 AM

You can train each body part more than once week if your natural too

MacBain · 05-28-2005, 11:36 AM

Okay but where is the sense of training a muscle a few days in a row?
This seems completely idiotic since the muscle cannot even recover and you already train it again.
Somebody at abcbodybuilding.com said that it's not problem to do hyperextensions one day and then do squats the next day. This seems wrong to me cause when you bust your back one day and then wanna do heavy squats the next day the back won't be as strong and you risk injury.
This is my opinion.

Q80_MuscleHed · 05-28-2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MacBain

Okay but where is the sense of training a muscle a few days in a row?
This seems completely idiotic since the muscle cannot even recover and you already train it again.
Somebody at abcbodybuilding.com said that it's not problem to do hyperextensions one day and then do squats the next day. This seems wrong to me cause when you bust your back one day and then wanna do heavy squats the next day the back won't be as strong and you risk injury.
This is my opinion.

right i know some peaple train their bi's with chest and the folowing day they train their tri's with back .. how could the muscle got fast recuperation ?

GoingBiG · 05-28-2005, 11:48 AM

try reading the training frequency thread

H.I.T.m-a-n · 05-28-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GoingBiG

You can train each body part more than once week if your natural too

of course yuo can... but you will not achieve maximum muscle growth, especially if you are hardgainer.

Ironslave · 05-28-2005, 01:21 PM

Agree with goingbig, naturals can train pretty much as hard and frequent, i like every 4-5 days per part. Too many people use overtraining as an excuse. I do the two a day trainings also and find them amazing.

Hitman, please back up your claims with science.

GoingBiG · 05-28-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by H.I.T.m-a-n

of course yuo can... but you will not achieve maximum muscle growth, especially if you are hardgainer.

Hardgainer is pretty much an excuse

Actually muscle will be bigger training more frequent due the highered proteinsynthesis is higher more of the time...

Still i would recommend you reading the training frequency thread...

MacBain · 05-28-2005, 01:28 PM

what about shocking methods?
do you use them every time? and what about muscle failure? they claim that we should always take every set until failure. doesnt this put extra stress on the nervous system and increase the recovery time? doesnt make much sense to me.

GoingBiG · 05-28-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MacBain

what about shocking methods?
do you use them every time? and what about muscle failure? they claim that we should always take every set until failure. doesnt this put extra stress on the nervous system and increase the recovery time? doesnt make much sense to me.

Shocking muscles are something wrote in flex, and doesn't make much sense... Muscles aren't growing because they are schocked...

Failure isn't neccesary... Maybe when hitting each bodypart once a week... You have to see it in a larger view...

Ironslave · 05-28-2005, 01:41 PM

Going to failure is superior, you recruit a lot more muscle fibers and take advantage of many other physiological responses. I have discused this with a professor who is well known in the scientific community. You will not "burn out" your central nervous system, it is far more taxing on the CNS to go for a middle distance run then do a set of squats to failure.

MacBain · 05-28-2005, 01:53 PM

Check this out, this is interesting. I think Arnold was right, it's the pump! The pump!!! :bananaroc :bananaroc

Lactic acid is a by product of the G-L-A System (6). This is the energy system that is used most heavily during 30-90 seconds of work. Power lifting type movements are dependent on the creatine phosphate system which is used for extremely low rep, high percentage (of your maximum strength) sets. The PC system does not result in lactic acid production. This is just another reason to use supersets, strips, and other techniques that produce this effect.

Sets that use the Glycogen-Lactic Acid system (30-90 seconds, shocking methods or 6-15 reps) prime the pump (create extreme pumps). There are many benefits to this in regards to hypertrophy. One is to super hydrate your myofibrils (9)(see anatomy of a muscle fiber for detailed explanation of myofibrils)! A pump is caused by the collapsing of veins. As you know from the anatomy of a muscle, veins take blood out and arteries bring blood to the muscles. Even though the veins begin to fail, the arteries continue to bring blood to the muscles! This build up of fluid causes a flow of blood to go back into the muscle which in turn causes the pump!