[ikzn]

I've heard it over and over about overtraining, "the end-result is zero growth and perhaps even losses. Working out every day, if you're truly using the proper amount of intensity, will lead to gross overtraining. A body part, worked properly, i.e. worked to complete, total muscular failure that recruited as many muscle fibers as physiologically possible, can take 5-10 days to heal. "
But what about the military Special Forces bootcamp training? (Marines Recon, Navy Seals, Green Berets) They all are overtraining since the first day of bootcamp. The Navy Seals bootcamp even has a period called the "hell week" which they train the whole day for one whole week with only around 2-3 hours of sleep total from the whole week, not 2-3 hours of sleep a day. And doing this for couple months? Even regular military positions such as the Army, Marine Corps, and Navy are training everyday but less hardcore of course. But in the end they all seem more in fit. Shouldnt they all lose muscle from the information of overtraining makes loses? Just something that was on my mind.

[Thomas_Rivera]

It's two diffeerent types of training though. Military training is to build endurance and surivival skills.

[front_row]

Originally Posted by ikzn

I've heard it over and over about overtraining, "the end-result is zero growth and perhaps even losses. Working out every day, if you're truly using the proper amount of intensity, will lead to gross overtraining. A body part, worked properly, i.e. worked to complete, total muscular failure that recruited as many muscle fibers as physiologically possible, can take 5-10 days to heal. "
But what about the military Special Forces bootcamp training? (Marines Recon, Navy Seals, Green Berets) They all are overtraining since the first day of bootcamp. The Navy Seals bootcamp even has a period called the "hell week" which they train the whole day for one whole week with only around 2-3 hours of sleep total from the whole week, not 2-3 hours of sleep a day. And doing this for couple months? Even regular military positions such as the Army, Marine Corps, and Navy are training everyday but less hardcore of course. But in the end they all seem more in fit. Shouldnt they all lose muscle from the information of overtraining makes loses? Just something that was on my mind.

Boot camps, and especially hell week, leads to massive overtraining, muscle loss etc. They don't give a rat's ass about making you big and strong over a month, they want the mental attitude to finish a mission.

If you check out youtube, the S.E.A.L.S. BUDs trainers talk about how the soldiers are at extreme risk of hypothermia, shock, and permanent injury, requiring very close monitoring during every "evolution" of training.

After subjecting them to hell week, they drastically increase their rest times, and bump up their calories well over 5,000.

[front_row]

They also teach them the difference between being 'hurt' and 'injured', if you're 'hurt' you're well enough to keep training. Pretty sure they stole that from a football movie (The Program)

[jstone28]

IMO the risk of overtraining muscles themselves isnt the problem. the problem is the effects on the CNS. the CNS regulates the body.

i am a firm believer in working the muscle with as much intensity as humanly possible

[rkl0165]

Originally Posted by jstone28

IMO the risk of overtraining muscles themselves isnt the problem. the problem is the effects on the CNS. the CNS regulates the body.

i am a firm believer in working the muscle with as much intensity as humanly possible

100% correct..I unfortunately have repeatedly put myself in overtrainging..it is like being in hell..the only way out is to stay home til it goes away..if u keep going it gets worse and worse...the CNS..like your muscles..needs time out of the gym..going too heavy (yes there is such a thing) for too many reps (10+) will do it..

[jstone28]

Originally Posted by rkl0165

100% correct..I unfortunately have repeatedly put myself in overtrainging..it is like being in hell..the only way out is to stay home til it goes away..if u keep going it gets worse and worse...the CNS..like your muscles..needs time out of the gym..going too heavy (yes there is such a thing) for too many reps (10+) will do it..

definatly true. lifting is the fun part. the hard part is the 23 hours that you have to stay consistent (meals, activity level, stress level)

[rkl0165]

Originally Posted by jstone28

definatly true. lifting is the fun part. the hard part is the 23 hours that you have to stay consistent (meals, activity level, stress level)

If u are doing serious dieting you have to cut back on the weights a bit,,to go as heavy as you can while eating too few calories can do it to you too..if u are bulking up eat like it and do the most weight u ca..but if u are cutting adjust things accordingly..not too heavy and not too light..

[jstone28]

Originally Posted by rkl0165

If u are doing serious dieting you have to cut back on the weights a bit,,to go as heavy as you can while eating too few calories can do it to you too..if u are bulking up eat like it and do the most weight u ca..but if u are cutting adjust things accordingly..not too heavy and not too light..

IMO you should train heavy and intensly year round, no matter what phase (cutting bulking) you are in. guy like Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler train hard and heavy up to the contest date.