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Old 07-30-2006, 04:23 PM   #1
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This is a question for those of you who train on your own. When and if you do skullcrushers and they get real heavy do you pick them up by your feet or do you use a holder of some kind that would be by your head?

I have been able to do up to 90lb skullcrushers for far for about 6 deep reps. I have them at my feet and hoist them onto my lap and from there hoist them up as I begin to lay back. I have been trying to figure out if there is an easier to do it because as the weight goes up so does the pressure on my lap and the possible danger of balancing it as I lay back on my bench.

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Old 07-30-2006, 04:32 PM   #2
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My curl bar fits into my rack. If yours does not maybe you could try laying it on the bench at the top of where your head would be. That way you can grab it from the overhead position when you lie down on the bench.
 
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:26 PM   #3
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this is what I do. i put the EZ bar on my belt and lay back like doing a DB press. AS I'm laying back, the bar rolotes so that my palms turns upwards... a lot of ppl will say that, put the EZ bar on the floor or end of your bench. and grab it from there. which i think is the worse spot to lift the bar from. thats the weakest put of the arms. I have gotta stuck with the weight on my ribs before. theres EZ bars that more/rolote in the center in the bar. so i just use the EZ bars that have weight on it already..
 
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Old 07-31-2006, 10:25 AM   #4
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Depends if u can get a spotter. Cleaning them lying back does waste energy so it is always an advantage to get a spotter.

(If ur that lucky they can be Hard to come by :(
 
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Old 07-31-2006, 03:15 PM   #5
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Throw two 45's on each end and lay it above your bench on the floor - with the 45's the bar is at just the right height so you can easily pick it up without putting your arm at any kind of disadvantage...

If you can't handle 45's then stick with the 25's and move to a decline bench (I prefer a decline bench for these anyways)....
 
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Old 07-31-2006, 10:09 PM   #6
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I can picture what your post is saying. Laying it above your bench on the floor. Are you talking where I would lay my head?

Your post did give me an idea and that is to lay on the floor and stack up a few thick weights on top of each other and use it as a platform around my chest area.
I just might try that and see what happens.

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Old 07-31-2006, 11:14 PM   #7
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umm whilewere talking about skull crushers.....Whenever i try to do them my elbows start to hurt so bad that i cant hold the weight...its not even a hevy weight it just kills my elbows....any tips or other excercises that could help with this
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:53 PM   #8
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I see some guys use their knees on the bench to hold the bar...personally i just grin and bear it...
 
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Old 08-01-2006, 11:26 PM   #9
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For years I did it the way describe it, hoisting it up and laying back etc. I've found that reaching back (doing like a pullover) with an extreme arch to alleviate shoulder stress is much easier. If you can't use 45's you can set the bar on a low bench or wooden platform to raise it closer to your head. You'll find that once you start putting a lot of weight on the bar it's extemely difficult to sit up to put the bar back.
 
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Old 08-06-2006, 09:00 PM   #10
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I also have had problems with my elbows. I actually still have a bursa sac inflamation from it. Be sure to keep your elbows in the same position, not letting them wobble back and forth or rotate toward your head when you go back.

As for positioning with the bar, what I do is place the bar at the top of the bench where my head would be. Then from there I pick the bar up, and when I am done I put it back in the same spot. It is pretty easy to do.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 12:45 PM   #11
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I just put them by my feet, on the lap, and press it up. never had a balancing problem.
I have a question here regarding skullcrushers. I love them, i happen to be very strong at them....my arms are small.
First off, I weigh about 138 pounds and i do 100-110 pound skull crushers. My triceps don't grow......and yes i do close grip bench and pressdowns. Help me out here!
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:14 PM   #12
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First off, I weigh about 138 pounds and i do 100-110 pound skull crushers. My triceps don't grow......and yes i do close grip bench and pressdowns. Help me out here!
Wow, thats some heavy skullcrushers for your weight

At 24hr fitness, they have the straight and e-z curl bars pre-weighted (weights molded on?). I'm 210 and on my last set I use the 110 bar and get 8 reps.

So it's not like your lacking strength, I think you just need to eat more or as much as you can. The 6-7 meals a day plan works pretty good. The 3 main meals of the day: Breakfast-lunch-dinner. You need to incorporate in-between meals...breakfast @ 8am, meal 2 10:30am, lunch, meal 4 at 4pm, after training shake, dinner, then shake before u go to sleep.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:25 PM   #13
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thanks. damn i've been trying so hard. very strong for my size.....but im thinking i may be genetically limited, especially since i started weighing 118 pounds 2 years ago. trying so hard but i'm almost giving up now cos i see people twice my size using the same weights as i am, but im not growing.....
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 08:57 PM   #14
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Credit to George Turner


Elbow injuries fall into two categories. One of which is the upper arm, specifically the long head attachment of the triceps. It's bone spurs, a problem that's bodybuilder specific and not common among the general population.

Bone spurs are caused by exercises like french presses, in which the force of resistance, the fulcrum, is purposely put on the triceps at its elbow attachment, rather than where it should be,on the belly of the muscle.

I call them disadvantaged-lever exercises, and the category includes dumbbell behind the head french presses and lying triceps presses, especially the variety in which you lower the weight to your face.Generally, those movements cause microtearing of the tendinous attachment at the elbow long before they produce the tricep size you are looking for.

Every time there is a tear, no matter how small, the body sends calcium to the area to heal and reattach the tendon to the bone surface. The calcium is "reaching" for the tendon. Injured bodybuilders, who are unaware of what's happening, continue to do the movements that isolate the triceps, perpetuating a negative cycle.

You do the french presses, get stronger, experience pain, warm up longer, do the movements or a variation again, experience pain, and your body sends more calcium to the site.
You keep straining the attachment, your body keeps sending calcium, reaching for the tendon and, voila, bone spurs.

Now you have no choice but to find alternatives to using the disadvantaged levers. Bone Spurs a quarter inch long have seen to that. Now even dips and close grip bench presses, the exercises you should have been doing in the first place, cause discomfort, and it takes you forever to warm up.

You should be able to work a muscle through it's full range of motion in any position, right? Not necessarily. You certainly cannot ignore the rules of kinesiology forever anymore than you can break any other laws over the long term and expect to get off scot-free.

Muscles come in all shapes and sizes, but basically, they are like hot tamales. They are thick in the middle, or belly, necking down to where the cartilaginous tendon, which gets virtually no blood supply, attaches to the bone.

The muscle, whether it's the triceps or any other, is thickest in it's belly, where it gets an abundant blood supply. For obvious reasons thats where the fulcrum should be for any exercise. If you do dips or moderate width bench presses, approximately two thirds of the resistance force comes off the belly of the muscle. The other one third is spread out over the attachments.

Change that, and you reverse the physics that affect the triceps as a lever. Now two thirds of the resistance comes off the attachment and very little comes from the belly. You've lost the muscle belly'