[tim290280]

Although I agree with you Tim - sometimes ignorance is no better than arrogance

True that.

[TrueOutlaw]

another helpful training thread

and jornT isnt posting again again

[dieseld]

Originally Posted by tim290280

With comments like that Jorn I don't blame you.

To dieseld; You will realise with age that alot of the big guys and pros (even athletes) have **** all idea about how to train, eat, even cycle their fav supps. They have trainers, nutritionists, doctors, etc who tell them what to do and they blindly follow. These people that help them aren't the biggest, nor the best, just the ones with the smarts. Listen to the ones with the smarts.

somehow i didnt see this post, but anyways, the reason i made the 7 time Mr.o or some dude comment is b/c jorn wasnt offerring anything up to the thread except "your workout is gay" stuff..maybe if he said something..you dont think i realize that some ppl dont like arnolds..hell, i know that, but tell me what YOU do? b/c arnolds worked well for me, and if ya got something better, i wanna know about it!

[jornT]

Originally Posted by TrueOutlaw

and jornT isnt posting again again

Trust me, this time it's real. I'm only posting now, so the handfull of people I still respect understand why.

I've posted dozens of studies/explained human anatomy etc in the past , but back then nobody listend either. So why bother with it? I have spend over an hour on some posts, and people who posted 'good post' in my thread, giving the wrong answers when the topic was brought up later. ****ing hypocrites.

My arrogance is fueled by your own stupidity rocky. 'inner chest' after I clearly explained it's impossible, with your reasoning being 'I know what I feel' Yes that makes me feel superior, for the simple reason: I am.

Arnold presses give you seperation? Dude, I was into bodybuilding for two weeks when I realized that's BS. And it's BS for everyone. There are alot of variables between humans, but you obviously have no clue about them.

I feel it, works for me, look at arnold.

My attiude is fine. On the dozen of other boards I'm on, I get along fine. Like I said, in the far past, I did nothing but help, but because of the ignorance of this site, I changed. Funny it happens on the site with the worst info. I don't even think I'm all that smart, on most forums I'm just another guy or even a noobie on some.

Then I read the forum survey, and people are saying: 'I like the friendly atmosphere' Where can I find it? In the logg section? All you guys do is lick each others ass. I ain't going go through all of them, posting 'good workout', when in fact I think you all train retarded.

Keep 'enjoying' your workouts Rocky, strange I never noticed the disclaimer in your advices that said: btw, I know my suggestions are retarded, but I enjoy it and THAT is was matters for me, that's why I'm saying it. Everyone is trying to be the hardcore though bodybuilder, and now the workouts have to be fun all in a sudden.

[BigBen]

Originally Posted by jornT

Pyramiding the weight up is gay, as is doing split routines, but IF you did it, do shrugs on back day.

Pryamiding weight up isnt gay, its a big part of progressive overload. Dont be done here jron, dispite the fact that u are the most disrespectful person i have ever had the displeasure of meeting u bring up good points form time to time. Specially when u pryamid up and each weight brings u to that exact failure point for the target reps.

[robcardu]

lol....Jorn acts like 10 years old kid.

I love this stupid melodrama

[dieseld]

Originally Posted by jornT

Arnold presses give you seperation? Dude, I was into bodybuilding for two weeks when I realized that's BS. And it's BS for everyone. There are alot of variables between humans, but you obviously have no clue about them.

if its bs for you..its bs for everyone...... b/c there are alot of variables between humans? geez. i could really care less how many post you have(had) on this forum, your approach to the sport is disrespectful and childish. of all the comments that ive read from you, i can probably find a bodybuilder, nutritionist, trainer, or doctor that would "respectfully" disagree with you, and not call you "gay" for your opinion..at 25, i should be looking to your for advice and you should be helping, just like i try to help 18 year old up and coming bbs, its a sport and we should take care of our own good luck in your future training jorn

[Rocky]

JornT - just **** off with the attitude. Pissing and whining about no-one listening to you. Well done, you read. Well done you are so stubborn in your approach that you disregard everone elses working because it doesn't comply with your own narrowminded opinions on what works and what doesn't.
Why don't you post some pictures on the "amazing and much quicker" improvements you make with you "spectacular" training methods of your progress. I'm not expecting you to be bigger than some of the people here, but the amount of time you've been banging on about how everyone else is retarded and you are the most intelligent trainer on here then the improvements on your own physique must be apparent to all. Why not show us the fruits of your labour considering you are so **** sure of yourself?
I'm not doubting you know your stuff to a point, what I'm doubting is your ability to accept that other people know what is best for them.
You basically want to be a cult leader (yes that was CULT) - if everyone doesn't do it your way then they are "gay" and "retarded" - you will not accept anything other than your way as being efficient or productive.
I'm afraid as much as you may know, and chances are that in theory you do know more than me, I have no interest in your advice on here simply because of the manner in which you "give" it to people and the way in which you ridicule everyone who deviates from your brilliance.
****ing pathetic.
It's not about ass kissing other people who do it wrong - if they do it wrong then people say. Your definition of what is wrong is simply anything that doesn't fall into your patented routine. Grow up and get some ****ing respect.

[robcardu]

Originally Posted by Rocky

JornT - just **** off with the attitude. Pissing and whining about no-one listening to you. Well done, you read. Well done you are so stubborn in your approach that you disregard everone elses working because it doesn't comply with your own narrowminded opinions on what works and what doesn't.
Why don't you post some pictures on the "amazing and much quicker" improvements you make with you "spectacular" training methods of your progress. I'm not expecting you to be bigger than some of the people here, but the amount of time you've been banging on about how everyone else is retarded and you are the most intelligent trainer on here then the improvements on your own physique must be apparent to all. Why not show us the fruits of your labour considering you are so **** sure of yourself?
I'm not doubting you know your stuff to a point, what I'm doubting is your ability to accept that other people know what is best for them.
You basically want to be a cult leader (yes that was CULT) - if everyone doesn't do it your way then they are "gay" and "retarded" - you will not accept anything other than your way as being efficient or productive.
I'm afraid as much as you may know, and chances are that in theory you do know more than me, I have no interest in your advice on here simply because of the manner in which you "give" it to people and the way in which you ridicule everyone who deviates from your brilliance.
****ing pathetic.
It's not about ass kissing other people who do it wrong - if they do it wrong then people say. Your definition of what is wrong is simply anything that doesn't fall into your patented routine. Grow up and get some ****ing respect.

Great post Rockito, i couldn`t explain it better

[BigBen]

Originally Posted by Rocky

JornT - just **** off with the attitude. Pissing and whining about no-one listening to you. Well done, you read. Well done you are so stubborn in your approach that you disregard everone elses working because it doesn't comply with your own narrowminded opinions on what works and what doesn't.
Why don't you post some pictures on the "amazing and much quicker" improvements you make with you "spectacular" training methods of your progress. I'm not expecting you to be bigger than some of the people here, but the amount of time you've been banging on about how everyone else is retarded and you are the most intelligent trainer on here then the improvements on your own physique must be apparent to all. Why not show us the fruits of your labour considering you are so **** sure of yourself?
I'm not doubting you know your stuff to a point, what I'm doubting is your ability to accept that other people know what is best for them.
You basically want to be a cult leader (yes that was CULT) - if everyone doesn't do it your way then they are "gay" and "retarded" - you will not accept anything other than your way as being efficient or productive.
I'm afraid as much as you may know, and chances are that in theory you do know more than me, I have no interest in your advice on here simply because of the manner in which you "give" it to people and the way in which you ridicule everyone who deviates from your brilliance.
****ing pathetic.
It's not about ass kissing other people who do it wrong - if they do it wrong then people say. Your definition of what is wrong is simply anything that doesn't fall into your patented routine. Grow up and get some ****ing respect.

Man u just got my **** hard


LOL im jk rocky i fully agree

[Lineski]

I've got nothing against Jorn at all, I'm actually sad to see him going. The reason I don't argue with him is he's right about almost everything he posts and people still can't even understand the basics (muscles have points of origins and insertions, muscles contract in a certain manner, etc...) and will argue with him over them. There are universal facts about human physiology that people don't want to hear for whatever reason. Sure, he can be somewhat disrespectful but dealing with that is well worth the price. He's also one of the only people that does actual research on what he posts and wants to learn as much from others as we do from him.

Not to mention, he's funnier than a lot of you. Later bro.

[fog_hat1981]

Originally Posted by Lineski367

I've got nothing against Jorn at all, I'm actually sad to see him going. The reason I don't argue with him is he's right about almost everything he posts and people still can't even understand the basics (muscles have points of origins and insertions, muscles contract in a certain manner, etc...) and will argue with him over them. There are universal facts about human physiology that people don't want to hear for whatever reason. Sure, he can be somewhat disrespectful but dealing with that is well worth the price. He's also one of the only people that does actual research on what he posts and wants to learn as much from others as we do from him.

Not to mention, he's funnier than a lot of you. Later bro.

Lineski - Now that was an intelligent post - there is hope for the board yet...

As for everyone else, you may very well receive better definition from Arnold presses and other unnecessary exercises but that does not negate the fact that they are one of the most dangerous exercises you can perform in relationship to your shoulder structure (along with any form of dips beyond 70 degrees ROM, full ROM bench presses, behind the neck shoulder presses, anytime the upper arm falls below the parallel plane during any type of shoulder press movement AND THE LIST GOES ON)....

I don't defend Jorn's childish behavior but I can endorse his aggravation towards the senseless information spread on the board and people's willingness to believe in their own hype......