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Old 03-30-2006, 12:27 AM   #1
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As there seem to be lots of horrible routines being posted up by newbies recently, I though I would save myself some time and write this instead of sorting out each routine individually. This is advice for a general purpose strength and/or mass routine i.e. you can use it whatever your goals, unless they are extremely specific.

But first things first - Does your routine contain any of the following?

1) More than 20 sets per workout.
2) More than one bicep isolation exercise.
3) More than one isolation exercise per workout for any muscle.
4) Significant use of cables and other nonsense.
5) Significant use of machine exercises.
6) Triple drop sets as part of your routine (excuse the pun...) training.
7) Regular use of sets with more than six (6) reps.
8) Anything on the List of Shame.
9) No squats.

If so, it probably sucks - There's a good chance that you should modify it before you post it up.

If not, post it up and we'll see if there is any more advice we can give you, although you will probably have a pretty sound routine already.

Purenatural's List of Shame (probably to be expanded).

01) Lateral raises
02) Lateral raises
03) Pullovers
04) Pec flys
05) Upright rows
06) Behind-the-neck press
07) Tricep kickbacks
08) Arnold press
09) Front raises
10) Leg extensions
11) Seated calf raises

With special mention to: Bicep isolation exercises in general. The Smith machine. People who ask for routine advice midway through a cycle of AAS.

Advice for constructing your own routine:

1) Any routine must contain every exercise on the Hall of Fame. No ifs. No buts. No exceptions. At all. Ever.

Purenatural's Hall of Fame

1) Squats

Get the picture? There are loads of different kinds of squat (back, front, Zercher, hack, box, overhead etc.) but I would recommend the back squat for a newbie.
2) You probably should have a bench variation, although this can be replaced by an overhead press variation or parallel dips, if you insist.
3) No routine should have more than 20 sets per workout, unless you are juicing, in which case you shouldn't have to read this anyway. Preferably you should probably be looking at 15 sets or less.
4) No workout should make excessive use of isolation exercises. Broadly speaking, these serve no real purpose that can't be fulfilled more effectively by compound exercises.
5) No workout should make excessive use of machine exercises. These cause you to neglect your stabiliser muscles, are less effective than freeweight lifts and, because they force you to move through an unnatural plane of motion, carry a higher risk of injury to joints, ligaments and tendons. This includes the smith machine.
6) Your biceps are a small and fairly pointless muscle incapable of much by way of strength gains or sustaining huge workloads. You do not need to work them hard for them to grow. YOU DO NOT NEED TO WORK THEM HARD FOR THEM TO GROW. If you train them too hard or too often, I can guarantee that they won't grow.
7) Rep ranges should almost always be under 6 reps per set. Personally I would recommend 4x6, although I know a lot of people like 5x5.
8) Leg day should always comes first in the cycle/week.
9) The exercise using the most number of muscle groups should come first in the workout and the one with the least number last. The exception to this is exercises that hit the muscles that stabilise your trunk esp. erector spinae (lower back) and rectus abdominus (abs), as these muscles are used to support your torso throughout almost all other exercises, allowing you to maintain good form. As such, exercises that focus on these muscles should be done after you've completed all other exercises for the day.
10) If you can identify a weakness in your lifting or just an aspect of it you would like focus on, take a relevant exercise from Scourge's Complementary exercise lift and add it to the appropriate day.

Purenatural's Complementary Exercise List by training focus (to be expanded). Upper bench: Half press, close grip press, block press, floor press
Lower bench: Ultra-wide press, bottom-position press, speed bench, shoulder work, (decline press)
Squat: Box squat, goodmorning
Deadlift: Box deadlift, rack pulls
Grip: Farmer's walk (also a good all-round exercise)
Rotator cuff: Cuban press

Which leads us to...

All-purpose Routine for Newbies
Workout A:
Back squat 4x6
Box deadlift 4x6 (but remember to re-set between reps)
Goodmorning 4x6

Workout B:
Flat bench 4x6
Overhead press 4x6
Weighted sit-ups 4x6

Workout C:
Deadlifts 4x6 (but remember to re-set between reps)
Bent-over rows 4x6
Weighted chin-ups 4x6
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Old 03-30-2006, 12:36 AM   #2
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nice post. you seem to know right from wrong.

1) More than 20 sets per workout.
2) More than one bicep isolation exercise.
3) More than one isolation exercise per workout for any muscle.
4) Significant use of cables and other nonsense.
5) Significant use of machine exercises.
6) Triple drop sets as part of your routine (excuse the pun...) training.
7) Regular use of sets with more than six (6) reps.
8) Anything on Scourge's List of Shame
9) No squats.

exactly
 
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Old 03-30-2006, 02:23 AM   #3
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theres so many things i disagree with you about its not even funny!

Overtraining is valid.

every other point you make


2) More than one bicep isolation exercise.
Whatever gets the muscle under stimulation will make it grow!

3) More than one isolation exercise per workout for any muscle.
Stimulus get it how u can!

4) Significant use of cables and other nonsense.
Cable rows, lat pulldowns,peck deck... DUDE!

5) Significant use of machine exercises.
Machines are the best things for newbies. They teach them how to take the muscle through a movement without injuring themselves.

6) Triple drop sets as part of your routine (excuse the pun...) training.
STIMULUS! maybe not for a begginer but its stimulus

7) Regular use of sets with more than six (6) reps.
WAY TO ENCOURAGE EVERY NEWBIE TO HURT THEMSELVES. 6 reps is too taxing for any level of trainer and it doesn't do much just adds stretch marks and insignificant pumps.

8) Anything on Scourge's List of Shame.
who is scourge a starcraft zerg player?

9) No squats.
The 2nd valid point you make. But for a newbie? Better off putting them on a legpress so they dont get hurt. Oh wait leg press is a machine!

GOD DAMN!
 
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Old 03-30-2006, 02:34 AM   #4
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yeah i think pickle summed it up.....
 
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Old 03-30-2006, 02:36 AM   #5
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Old 03-30-2006, 09:30 AM   #6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pickle
theres so many things i disagree with you about its not even funny!

Overtraining is valid.

every other point you make


2) More than one bicep isolation exercise.
Whatever gets the muscle under stimulation will make it grow!

3) More than one isolation exercise per workout for any muscle.
Stimulus get it how u can!

4) Significant use of cables and other nonsense.
Cable rows, lat pulldowns,peck deck... DUDE!

5) Significant use of machine exercises.
Machines are the best things for newbies. They teach them how to take the muscle through a movement without injuring themselves.

6) Triple drop sets as part of your routine (excuse the pun...) training.
STIMULUS! maybe not for a begginer but its stimulus

7) Regular use of sets with more than six (6) reps.
WAY TO ENCOURAGE EVERY NEWBIE TO HURT THEMSELVES. 6 reps is too taxing for any level of trainer and it doesn't do much just adds stretch marks and insignificant pumps.

8) Anything on Scourge's List of Shame.
who is scourge a starcraft zerg player?

9) No squats.
The 2nd valid point you make. But for a newbie? Better off putting them on a legpress so they dont get hurt. Oh wait leg press is a machine!

GOD DAMN!

Actually I made typo, Scourge is my cousin from another bb site, originally this is his article and before I agreed with him I took time to understand so I ask if I can use article his article. Originally it's his list of shame, just put it under my name since no one would who he is and as well I agree with everything on his article.

Also just because its 6 reps doesn't mean you have to go to failure. You should work your weights up. Not dramatically going heavy.

Well this is bb site isn't it, so if any newbie wanted to get big or grow and expect to make gains, then generally they should do compound lifts.

Like I said they won't get injure but have to prioritize with good form and technique, before actually starting to work out .this as well means you should start off really lightly.

Personally most begginers I see in gym well over couple of years, want big arms, and most of them tend to overtrain them by putting many exercises hitting bi-cep and finding themselves making no gains as well from having to see them from time to time, i don't as well see any gains. And for experience my self have try to prioritze my arms when i first started working out with about 3-4 exercises for bi-cep on its own day, and found my self making no gains within after a year


My apologies for any typo.
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Old 03-30-2006, 09:50 AM   #7
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What is the best training in your opition , purenatural, here, in Brazil, we used piramid stile, 15-12-10-8 reps.
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Old 03-30-2006, 10:08 AM   #8
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Best training I would say my friend, personally from experience would be 5sets of 5 reps push/pull/legs and 3 sets of 5 reps full body routine consisting of 4-5 exercises each workout
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Old 03-30-2006, 10:30 AM   #9
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I training 4 days for weak, 4 sets and 15-12-10-8 reps
1 set - 15 rep (with little weight)
2 set- 12 rep (with medium weight)
3 set - 10 rep (with high weight)
4 set - 8 rep (with maximum weight)

Is that training good? I am Brazilian, and here it seems that the things on muscular activity delay to develop.
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Old 03-30-2006, 10:38 AM   #10
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good post purenatural...made total sense, and i was one of those noobies back in the day :-D
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Old 03-30-2006, 11:22 AM   #11
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I don't agree at all, in fact that sounds almost like a powerlifting routine. I always do 3x10 except on calves and forearms where I go 3 x 15-20. On the 3rd set I go to failure and if I get all the reps the next time I train I go up by in weight. I've been making great gains with this style. I do lots of isolation exercises too. I normally do one compound exercise per body part and about 3 isolation exercises. (i.e. chest day do bench press then decline, incline DB presses, and cable crossovers)
 
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Old 03-30-2006, 12:38 PM   #12
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There are some good points and some bad points. I don't think you can clarify that this list is a set of rules to go by. A guideline for some things maybe, but there is a lot there that needs to be adjusted in some way for some people. The key is variety and what suits individuals. Everyone has to leanr to sort the wheat from the chaff.
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