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Old 02-20-2005, 01:34 PM   #1
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WEAK BENCH


How to get your bench press up to speed.

Q: After two years of faithful lifting, I can squat 325 and deadlift 365, but I can't bench press 225. How can I improve my bench? .

A: Judging from your 325 squat and 365 deadlift, you are exceptionally strong in those areas, so your problem with the bench press could be one of technique. If your deltoids are proportionately more developed than your pecs, you are pressing more with your shoulders than with your chest.

If you are keeping the entire length of your body pressed flat against the bench, and your repetitions are strict and isolated, you are using your deltoids more than your pecs and, consequently, depriving your chest of development in both strength and mass.

Also, you should be pushing hard with your feet and legs to brace yourself and slightly arch your back as you press. If not, you are again relying too much on your deltoids and not using enough chest power.

To correct your technique, you need to understand that your chest is one of those bodyparts that is best fatigued by movements that are assisted by other bodyparts. The only way you can contract your pecs is by means of your lats, your traps and rhomboids, your abs and your lower body.

Now try bench pressing again, but this time put your whole body into it. Plant your feet firmly, grip the bar hard and, as you lower it, tighten your body and squeeze your lats together, bringing your chest up to meet the bar. As you press, squeeze your pecs together by flaring your lats. If your bench-pressing problem is traceable to poor technique, this free-wheeling and aggressive approach should yield an immediate improvement. If it doesn't, the next troubleshooting step is to see if you are overtraining or undertraining. Here's a rule of thumb: More than three times a week is overtraining; once a week is undertraining. Further, more than 25 total sets per bodypart a workout is overtraining; less than 16 is undertraining.

Since you are already lifting very heavy, I recommend that you train each bodypart twice a week, prioritizing your chest as the first bodypart to be trained after a rest day. Your first exercise should be bench presses. Pyramid up through eight all-out working sets, maxing out at three repetitions for your eighth set.
 
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:28 PM   #2
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I think that low rep partials are good for strength....
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 05:16 PM   #3
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good advice, but I don't think under 16 sets is undertraining if you are doing a small bodypart such as triceps.
 
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Old 05-08-2005, 10:54 PM   #4
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This article is shit- I fyou want a big bench you need to work with board presses, rack lockouts, pauses on the chest, etc..
and work accessory excercises like dips and Heavy Tri Ext.

Bench is not a chest excercise- you should tuck your elbows and it should be all triceps and lats for a big bench.

UNDER 16 Sets is undertraining- that is fucking rediculious, that is brutially overtraining.
 
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Old 05-08-2005, 11:17 PM   #5
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This article is shit- I fyou want a big bench you need to work with board presses, rack lockouts, pauses on the chest, etc..
and work accessory excercises like dips and Heavy Tri Ext.

Bench is not a chest excercise- you should tuck your elbows and it should be all triceps and lats for a big bench.

UNDER 16 Sets is undertraining- that is fucking rediculious, that is brutially overtraining.
yes.....your right, it looks like im gonna take your word over the word of Mr.Olympia, Ronnie fuckin Coleman.
 
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Old 05-08-2005, 11:45 PM   #6
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yes.....your right, it looks like im gonna take your word over the word of Mr.Olympia, Ronnie fuckin Coleman.
are you 16 yrs old?

Ronnie fuckin Coleman dosent write those columns jackass, they pay him to use his name in them.
DO you still believe that Weiders secret training principles really made arnold huge- the D-ball and his genetics made him huge.

and you need to look at the people with big bench presses like powerlifters- it is their job to lift as much weight as possible- that is why they use the methods I posted.

Go read more from Flex.
 
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Old 05-09-2005, 12:54 AM   #7
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I agree with post... I will post again when i come from work...
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Old 05-09-2005, 09:26 AM   #8
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are you 16 yrs old?

Ronnie fuckin Coleman dosent write those columns jackass, they pay him to use his name in them.
DO you still believe that Weiders secret training principles really made arnold huge- the D-ball and his genetics made him huge.

and you need to look at the people with big bench presses like powerlifters- it is their job to lift as much weight as possible- that is why they use the methods I posted.

Go read more from Flex.
my age doesnt meen shit. no one uses weider principals. arnold was also on Deca. bench is a chest exercise , not a lat exercise....dumbass. and 16 sets is nowhere near overtraining, i say its undertraining.
 
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Old 05-09-2005, 10:42 AM   #9
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Is 16 sets of benchpress undertraining? I do like 8-9 sets of chest, so i will never get stronger and bigger? Come on.. You have to do a lot of reading...
Try seach on pubmed and stop reading Flex...

Overtraining isn't just about the number of sets, and it won't happen in one workout or in one week...
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Old 05-09-2005, 11:02 AM   #10
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Every one is using the Weider- prin-stuff. 16set is overT for some underT for others. Benchpress is a chest ex, but in a competition itīs alle about to get the fucking shit upp, so they donīt care if tri or delts are doing moore work than the chest. And Ronnie does write.
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Old 05-09-2005, 11:17 AM   #11
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i personally like db press bettter than benchpress
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my age doesnt meen shit. no one uses weider principals. arnold was also on Deca. bench is a chest exercise , not a lat exercise....dumbass. and 16 sets is nowhere near overtraining, i say its undertraining.

So you are 16, well that explains alot!!
 
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Is 16 sets of benchpress undertraining? I do like 8-9 sets of chest, so i will never get stronger and bigger? Come on.. You have to do a lot of reading...
Try seach on pubmed and stop reading Flex...

Overtraining isn't just about the number of sets, and it won't happen in one workout or in one week...
finally, another voice of reason!
 
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So you are 16, well that e