You don't have to be strong to be big. What do you think?

purenatural · 03-14-2006, 08:52 PM

Ok before I say anything. I just want to clarify I'm not intending on argument and not taking anysides or preaching so what so ever. This is just all about what I've research and most throughout what I have experienced.

For a variety of reasons, people, even those with an equal amount of muscle mass, vary in strength enormously. It might have something to do with fast-twitch/slow-twitch muscle ratios, or it might have something to do with the efficiency of nerve pathways or even limb length and the resultant torque.

But it is still a relative term. To get bigger muscles, you have to lift heavier weight, and you, not the guy next door, have to become stronger -- stronger than you were. Increasing muscle strength in the natural athlete, except in a very few, rare instances, requires that the tension applied to muscle fibers be high. If the tension applied to muscle fibers are light, maximal growth will not occur (Lieber, 1992).

The training programs that work best for pro bodybuilders are best for everyone.
You see it happen every day in gyms across the country. Some bodybuilding neophyte will walk up to a guy who looks like he's an escaped attraction from Jurassic Park and ask him how he trains. The biggest guy in the gym likely got that way from either taking a tremendous amount of drugs and/or by being genetically pre-dispositioned to get big. Follow a horse home and you'll find horse parents.

The guy in your gym who is best bodybuilder is the guy who has made the most progress and done the most to his physique using natural techniques. He may still be a pencil neck, but he may have put on 40 pounds [19kg] of lean body mass to get where he is, and that, in all probability, took some know-how. That person probably doesn't overtrain, keeps his sets down to a minimum, and uses great form and concentration on the eccentric (negative) portion of each exercise repetition.

Many pros spend hours and hours doing innumerable sets--so many it would far surpass the average person's recuperative abilities. If average people followed the routines of average pro bodybuilders, they would, in effect, start to whittle down what muscle mass they did have or, at best, make only a tiny bit of progress after a couple of years.

What do you think??? Agree or disagree. If you disagree I would appriciate why you chosen that.

Thanks.

tim290280 · 03-14-2006, 09:14 PM

You've cut this out of someone elses article!

Strength and size are linked, but they are relative to the person and the way they supply nutrition and recruit muscle fibers. But also the guy that trains like a BB will ultimately not train to exert maximal force the way a PL of the same size does.

A great example is Tom Platz and Dr Squat competing. Tom does 500lbs for 23 reps, Fred did 14 or something. Tom managed ~600 as a max, while Fred did ~800lbs. Different methods, different results, two big guys, both strong as hell!

purenatural · 03-14-2006, 09:24 PM

Yes I'm aware I've cut this out of someone elses article because that someone else is me! 30 BODYBUILDING MYTHS THAT AREN'T TRUE. It was original from that article I've posted back a while ago.

That's true to what you said. But what I meant tim was that you got to lift heavy enough for tension in muscles to be recruited high enough for growth. Doesn't necessarily mean to failure or until point you feel wasted.

CALIBBER · 03-14-2006, 09:29 PM

i agree you dont need to get strong to get bigt.. a very good example is Jay cutler and ronnie coleman. ronnie is really twice as strong a jay. but jay is as big as ronnie. another good example is looking at the World strong man comp. none of then can come close to jay cutler in size.

**mindstar** · 03-14-2006, 09:32 PM

Everybody want to be a bodybuilder but nobody want to lift no heavy ass weight. RC

To get big you must lift big...and when compared to the general public all bbr's are strong as hell, while comparissons between tham may yield differences, these bely the fact that these guys are still pumping out megga tonnage. Of course, lifting big is only one piece of the puzzle

fog_hat1981 · 03-14-2006, 09:42 PM

Purenatural - your sig makes me laugh everytime I see it...

MaKaVeLi · 03-14-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CALIBBER

i agree you dont need to get strong to get bigt.. a very good example is Jay cutler and ronnie coleman. ronnie is really twice as strong a jay. but jay is as big as ronnie. another good example is looking at the World strong man comp. none of then can come close to jay cutler in size.

I disagree with you, i know you're just over-exaggerating the strength difference between Ronnie and Cutler, BUT, if you're big then you're also strong. Don't get confused or mistaken into the idea that those who are big aren't strong coz that's just BS! However, you can be strong and not big...

purenatural · 03-14-2006, 09:55 PM

Fog-hat well it's not the best I'll admit that. And I don't have any creative skills. All I did was copy paste . Less than a minute. It would be helpful if you can give me pointers on creating a better sig. Perhaps if you can show me your pic in it and how creative it would be so someone wouldn't laugh like you are doing. Thanks

fog_hat1981 · 03-14-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by purenatural

Fog-hat well it's not the best I'll admit that. And I don't have any creative skills. All I did was copy paste and time. Less than a minute. It would be helpful if you can give me pointers on creating a better sig. Perhaps if you can show me your pic in it and how creative it would be so someone wouldn't laugh like you are doing. Thanks

I'm not too creative either bro - however, I just see things in it that make me laugh. Maybe it's the poses, maybe it's the background - I'm not sure exactly what it is. Don't take it as a flame, just letting you know that I find it ammusing...

Also, if you're looking for a pic of me, they're out there. You just have to find them....

purenatural · 03-14-2006, 10:09 PM

Don't worry I ain't taking it as a flame,I'll admit, background could be better then a bedroom being messy, camera could be better then using a webcam, camera view could be better other then camera sitting on top of my monitor, light could be better then using a typical house light bulb, and my poses could be better if I work on it then just going for the first attempt.

purenatural · 03-14-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CALIBBER

i agree you dont need to get strong to get bigt.. a very good example is Jay cutler and ronnie coleman. ronnie is really twice as strong a jay. but jay is as big as ronnie. another good example is looking at the World strong man comp. none of then can come close to jay cutler in size.

Jay cutler and ronnie coleman are very strong. Believe me, these guys lift alot of heavy weights on almost any exercises they execute.

fog_hat1981 · 03-14-2006, 10:18 PM

Maybe if you just take your face out of the second two pictures - I'm not sure why but it might help.