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Old 03-09-2006, 02:33 AM   #1
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I know intensity training is a bit confusing for people to understand and often ask the question how can u train with just one set (Like it's easier ). From experience of using High intensity (when done properly) yes the numbers seem less but it is one of the most painfull things u will ever experience in ur life. Because you can't cheat then u never have a chance to relax during the reps (no momentum) The pain levels shoot through the roof and these sets seem to be the longest painful (Intense) experience that you will ever feel and when normal reps are exhausted then you move into exhausting static and negative motion. I am no stranger to pain I have broken my arm, dislocated fingers and used to box at one stage so I know what hard work is and I can honestly say that these don't even come close to a high intensity set (Volume to me is easier than HIT that is why I train with hit now). The truth is if u can even think of doing another rep after a HIT set then u haven't maxed out intensity. Mentzer and others used to imagine that there was a guy with a gun to the back of the heads saying one more rep! it was do or die. In my oppinion a lot of people critisise high intensity because they have never done it "PROPERLY". It really depends on your personality and grit determination if you have a strong mental attitude you will succeed with HIT.
 
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:08 AM   #2
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Hey C_T, have always been interested in Mentzer and HIT. How long have you been doing it now? How did you structure your workouts? What i mean is, have you just adopted some routine Mentzer and co. advocate or did you read up on it and come up with your own version? If the latter, any basic papers you can recommend that i might be able to have a look at to get the idea how to structure my own?
I am not sure i would like to do it year round but i am thinking of trying it to get over some plateaus and fix some lagging body parts.

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Old 03-09-2006, 06:21 AM   #3
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So if you don't get anything out of HIT you're "Not doing it properly"?

I agree that most people criticise HIT because they haven't actually experienced it and trained in this manner correctly.

But then there is a raft of good data that shows HIT to be inferior to other training methodoligies. I have personally trained in both this and hardgainer fashion (very similar), and have concluded that you really don't get the most out of your training. I found I fried my CNS, had massive DOMS, and could easily overtrain, yet the gains have not been as impressive as what I have managed on my current program.

Better to go with a more Westside or Wave loading program. This is especially true if you also play sports.
 
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:22 AM   #4
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So if you don't get anything out of HIT you're "Not doing it properly"?

I agree that most people criticise HIT because they haven't actually experienced it and trained in this manner correctly.

But then there is a raft of good data that shows HIT to be inferior to other training methodoligies. I have personally trained in both this and hardgainer fashion (very similar), and have concluded that you really don't get the most out of your training. I found I fried my CNS, had massive DOMS, and could easily overtrain, yet the gains have not been as impressive as what I have managed on my current program.

Better to go with a more Westside or Wave loading program. This is especially true if you also play sports.
Studies or scientific journals never take into account an entire population, just a sample one at best (ie. a group of bodybuilders) and the results, even if significant, still never apply to every single person. That is to say, there is no way to prove HIT to be less effective for every single bodybuilder out there. I hate to use the old adage "different strokes for different folks" but it applies in this situation.

Personally, I'm a high-volume guy because my body responds well to it, and after reading this I'm a bit afraid to try HIT I mean, I did snap my Tib and Fib awhile ago so I doubt it's as painful as that but...
 
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:48 AM   #5
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So if you don't get anything out of HIT you're "Not doing it properly"?

I agree that most people criticise HIT because they haven't actually experienced it and trained in this manner correctly.

But then there is a raft of good data that shows HIT to be inferior to other training methodoligies. I have personally trained in both this and hardgainer fashion (very similar), and have concluded that you really don't get the most out of your training. I found I fried my CNS, had massive DOMS, and could easily overtrain, yet the gains have not been as impressive as what I have managed on my current program.

Better to go with a more Westside or Wave loading program. This is especially true if you also play sports.
Have you tried it! I mean really tried it and as for ur Data it goes both ways. Because no one really has made a fool proof program yet. I made gains in volume trainning and powerlifting. Hell I started weight trainning to win medals in weightlifting in highschool. I progressed to HIT (Probably from yates then to mentzers line of thinking) I'm not preaching that HIT is more or less effective than volume what I was simply trying to state. Is there is an assumption that Volume is harder due to the time spent in the Gym. If you have ever given a High intensity program ago (and u say u have) then you would realise this. That is why I wrote my experience.

Hey De_battre yes I read heaps about it. I started trainning in powerlifting Milita type workouts, moved to a basic BB lee haney split, then to Arnolds workout, then to rhul's work out, Dorians (same as blood and guts) and finally Mentzers last program HIT. I have experimented with heaps of shocking techniques from the start.

I moved into Mentzers program because it made sense (every thing is throughly explained) and it simply worked for me. I have been doing it for 3 months now but probably started incorporating Arthur Jones techniqes early on. Because it's hard not to there isn't a bodybuilder on the planet today who's program hasn't been influenced by his early findings. If u have any questions or resource material that you would like to know about then I'm more than happy to help.Because I have dozens of books on the subject but then ur going to have to ask the question and I will explain what I know.To narrow it down (another good person to talk to is Rocky as he's knowledgeable in the area as well) This goes for any of the above routines that I have used as well. I tend to get a bit obbsessive when gathering information



Rocky and I have both have posted a lot of information in the trainning section so have a look

and yes my fellow pimp I agree with that statement"different strokes for different folks"
(but u stole it from Rocky so I'm calling the copy right police )
 
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Old 03-09-2006, 01:09 PM   #6
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Old 03-09-2006, 08:55 PM   #7
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Have you tried it! I mean really tried it and as for ur Data it goes both ways. Because no one really has made a fool proof program yet. I made gains in volume trainning and powerlifting. Hell I started weight trainning to win medals in weightlifting in highschool. I progressed to HIT (Probably from yates then to mentzers line of thinking) I'm not preaching that HIT is more or less effective than volume what I was simply trying to state. Is there is an assumption that Volume is harder due to the time spent in the Gym. If you have ever given a High intensity program ago (and u say u have) then you would realise this. That is why I wrote my experience.
No of course I haven't tried it, I just said that for my health!!! I've tried it, had fun (read excruciating pain in muscles that I never knew were there) doing it, and I've moved on to better things.

I never said anything about volume training. There is not HIT and Volume only training. You would know (and have kinda stated) that there are many subdivisions of HIT. Volume is only one other way of training, not the only alternative to HIT. To what I refer is the maximising efficiency and loading parameters of lifting. This goes into training strength, endurance, power, speed (for me primarily strength) as a complete package.

The research doesn't go both ways! Any HIT research has mainly come from Arthur Jones and his people (Darden, etc) and then there is the rest of the exercise researchers. Amittedly most exercise science is poorly written and quite often poorly set up so that conclusions about any program type cannot be drawn (hey lets see if people who have never trained before make gains dong this, and not compare it to anything!). But the research I refer to is that done by professional coaches, that is published in the journals. This research is results orrientated, and really shows HIT to be below par.

So HIT works fine, just you could be doing better. Read some of the articles here.
 
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Old 03-10-2006, 12:50 AM   #8
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No of course I haven't tried it, I just said that for my health!!! I've tried it, had fun (read excruciating pain in muscles that I never knew were there) doing it, and I've moved on to better things.

I never said anything about volume training. There is not HIT and Volume only training. You would know (and have kinda stated) that there are many subdivisions of HIT. Volume is only one other way of training, not the only alternative to HIT. To what I refer is the maximising efficiency and loading parameters of lifting. This goes into training strength, endurance, power, speed (for me primarily strength) as a complete package.

The research doesn't go both ways! Any HIT research has mainly come from Arthur Jones and his people (Darden, etc) and then there is the rest of the exercise researchers. Amittedly most exercise science is poorly written and quite often poorly set up so that conclusions about any program type cannot be drawn (hey lets see if people who have never trained before make gains dong this, and not compare it to anything!). But the research I refer to is that done by professional coaches, that is published in the journals. This research is results orrientated, and really shows HIT to be below par.

So HIT works fine, just you could be doing better. Read some of the articles here.

It's okay Tim been to T nation before already read there articles. I am not ready to jump ship in trainning at the moment. I haven't been as excited as this since I picked up my first set of dumbells at 12. I making stacks of progress on HIT week to week!!! If I plateau then I will consider another program but not now! And HIT was used with a lot of BB'rs Bakers and Dorian both got individual tutalage under Mentzer and credit him with a lot of there success. I wrote my own experience on HIT because a lot of people don't have a clue on HIT I was just sharing what I have found out.
 
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Old 03-10-2006, 03:28 AM   #9
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Hey C_T thanks man. Are there any good links on the web you can think of? This would be the most accessible way for me to get info...
 
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tried it , heavy duty ! and works , but not for the long haul , but great to mix it up.
 
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Old 03-10-2006, 09:52 PM   #11
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Hey C_T thanks man. Are there any good links on the web you can think of? This would be the most accessible way for me to get info...
http://www.mikementzer.com/

http://www.dorianyates.net/

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/index.html (look up Paul becker)
 
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Old 03-11-2006, 12:00 AM   #12
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what is HIT?
 
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