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Old 03-05-2006, 02:27 PM   #1
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didnt know where to put this but anyway: im alittle worried. lets say im posing in from of the mirror. on almost any pose i do i hear cracking, i think its cartilage but it doesnt seem that normal to hear crack crack crack doing a double bicep. doesnt happen when i train though. is that normal?
 
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Old 03-05-2006, 08:30 PM   #2
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Where is the cracking?
 
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Old 03-05-2006, 08:46 PM   #3
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i tend to get this from time to time also. supposidly, according to my doc, if it isn't painful then it really isn't anything to worry about. im trying hyaluronic acid right now b/c it rebuilds cartilage. i realize a lot of docs sometimes are not educated when it comes to athletes but my doc use to work a lot w/ sports medicine. so, hopefully hes right
 
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Old 03-05-2006, 09:21 PM   #4
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Where is the cracking?
mostly shoulders and knees...
 
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Old 03-05-2006, 09:24 PM   #5
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The same thing happens to me when I do double bicep my shoulders crack but only until I have done it more then twice then it stops.
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Old 03-05-2006, 10:39 PM   #6
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Shoulders, elbows, knees...these joints pop. It's just a fact of nature. Trust me, after two knee surgeries I know how annoying they can be. Diesel is right, no pain=no worries. Glucosamine and MSM with glucosamine have help me.
 
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Old 03-05-2006, 11:37 PM   #7
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Joint effort: scientists bring you a workout to help you build muscle mass while preventing joint damage
Flex, July, 2005 by Jim Stoppani

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Bodybuilding is all about mass: building more muscle mass means lifting more mass in the gym. No bones about it, you must train heavy to get huge. Just take a look at the poundage hoisted by some of the sport's biggest pros, such as Ronnie Coleman, Markus Ruhl and Dorian Yates. These guys train hard and heavy and it shows. The irony of training with a lot of mass to put on muscle mass is that it has the opposite effect on joints. Lifting heavy weights actually reduces the mass of cartilage.

Researchers headed by a scientist from Ohio State University (Columbus) have discovered that heavy loading causes cartilage breakdown. Don't drop those 120-pound dumbbells just yet, though. The good news is that they've also discovered how to build the cartilage back up and prevent further breakdown.

HEAVY METAL | The team of scientists discovered that heavy loads--such as weights that prevent you from completing more than eight reps--can cause inflammation in joints that results in cartilage deconstruction and inhibits its reconstruction. Heavy weight seems to affect genes in cartilage cells that cause cell-signaling molecules, called cytokines, to initiate a chain of events that result in the release of chemicals that appear to attack the cartilage. This type of attack is similar to that in arthritis.

If you frequently train heavy and your elbows, knees, hips or shoulders are sore, it may not necessarily be due to a specific training injury. It could be the breakdown of your joint cartilage over time from the heavy pounding your joints sustain. Ask any old-time bodybuilder who trains heavy about joint pain, and he'll likely recite a long list of aching joints that he has accumulated over the years.

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SHEDDING LIGHT | It doesn't have to be this way. The problem is that bodybuilders who train heavy and experience a lot of joint pain probably rarely use light weights. A major misconception is that heavy lifting and joint pain are cause and effect. Many bodybuilders and powerlifters just deal with the accompanying joint pain. They reach for glucosamine, chondroitin and fish oil to get relief. Although these are good supplements for joint preservation, trainers should also be reaching for lighter weights from time to time.

The previously mentioned research team also established that training with very light weight (a weight that allows the completion of 15-20 reps) prevented cartilage deconstruction and even enhanced its reconstruction. Most bodybuilders would assume that this works because it gives the joints a break from heavy pounding. That is not the reason.

The scientists found that exercising with light weights reverses the processes that occur when joints are stressed by heavy weights. Light weights seem to inhibit the activation of genes in cartilage cells that cause inflammation and an ensuing attack on cartilage. This prevents the breakdown of cartilage and leads to it being rebuilt.

PROGRAMMED FOR JOINT PROTECTION | These findings do not mean that you have to train light all the time. Instead, you should balance every heavy workout with a light workout. In the "Joint Effort" program, train four times a week for two light and two heavy sessions, training each bodypart twice in that week. Workout one is done on Mondays and hits quads, hamstrings and calves, plus back and biceps, with low sets, low reps and heavy weight. Perform two exercises per bodypart and two or three sets per exercise. Think that's not enough? You'll be hitting those muscle groups again in just two days. Plus, research shows that, in experienced lifters, performing four to six sets per muscle group is optimal for building strength. The weight you'll be pushing for this workout should be heavy enough to limit you to five to eight reps per set.

Workout two is on Tuesdays and it's another low-set, low-rep, heavy-weight workout similar to the first, but this one hits chest, shoulders, traps and triceps.

Workout three is performed on Wednesdays. You'll use the same exercises for quads, hamstrings, calves, back and biceps as in workout one, but with higher reps and lower weight. Choose poundages that allow you to complete 15-20 reps per set. Stick with the same exercises to ensure that you are stressing the joints in the same way as for the heavy workout. This will provide maximum protection against the earlier heavy workout, keeping your joints healthy so you can continue to train hard for many years.

Workout four, on Thursdays, hits chest, shoulders, traps and triceps, as in workout two--but using light weights and high reps. Then, take three days off to allow your joints to fully recover before you attack them again on Monday and Tuesday with heavy weights. (Continue to work your abs during this program. We suggest that you train abs at the end of the workouts on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but the timing isn't critical as long as you include them at some point.)

The first two weekly workouts build strength and muscle mass, but at the expense of joint tissue. Heavy weight sets in motion the processes leading to joint cartilage degeneration. The next two workouts of the week offset this effect on the joints and enhance cartilage regeneration. Inserting two light training days immediately after two heavy training days helps to reverse the joint degeneration process as quickly as possible, and this schedule will give your joints enough time for regeneration before the next heavy workout.

High-rep workouts further enhance muscle growth by stimulating the generation of new blood vessels (capillaries). Through the capillaries, oxygen, nutrients and hormones pass from blood into muscle. Increasing the number of capillaries that feed muscles allows for greater delivery of oxygen, nutrients and anabolic hormones to them, resulting in better recovery and muscle growth.

Since you perform the same exercises for two workouts each week, you should change your exercise selections every two or three weeks to maintain variety and avoid stagnation.

PUT YOUR PLAN INTO ACTION | If you want to keep pounding heavy iron into your golden years, try the Joint Effort plan. Follow the heavy/light program for eight weeks, then switch to moderate weights (weights that allow you to complete eight to 12 reps) for another eight weeks, increasing the number of exercises (to three to five) and total sets (nine to 20) per bodypart. Split up your training into four or five workouts that complete the entire body and train each muscle group just once per week. After that, return to the heavy and light training patterns of Joint Effort, again choosing exercises that differ from the ones you used the first time through. This strategy is the best way to build muscle mass and protect your joints for the long run.

JOINT EFFORT ROUTINES

WORKOUT ONE (MONDAY) -- HEAVY
BODYPART EXERCISE SETS REPS

Quads/hams Squats* 3 5-8
Leg extensions 3 5-8
Lying leg curls 3 5-8
Calves Standing calf raises 2 5-8
Seated calf raises 2 5-8
Back Barbell rows 3 5-8
Lat pulldowns 3 5-8
Biceps Barbell curls 2 5-8
Incline dumbbell curls 2 5-8

WORKOUT TWO (TUESDAY) -- HEAVY
BODYPART EXERCISE SETS REPS


Chest Incline bench presses 3 5-8
Dumbbell flyes 3 5-8
Shoulders Dumbbell overhead presses 3 5-8
Dumbbell lateral raises 2 5-8
Traps Barbell shrugs 2 5-8
Dumbbell shrugs 2 5-8
Triceps Lying extensions 2 5-8
Pushdowns 2 5-8

WORKOUT THREE (WEDNESDAY) -- LIGHT
BODYPART EXERCISE SETS REPS

Quads/hams Squats* 3 15-20
Leg extensions 3 15-20
Lying leg curls 3 15-20
Calves Standing calf raises 2 15-20
Seated calf raises 2 15-20
Back Barbell rows 3 15-20
Lat pulldowns 3 15-20
Biceps Barbell curls 2 15-20
Incline dumbbell curls 2 15-20

WORKOUT FOUR (THURSDAY) -- LIGHT
BODYPART EXERCISE SETS REPS

Chest Incline bench presses 3 15-20
Dumbbell flyes 3 15-20
Shoulders Dumbbell overhead presses 3 15-20
Dumbbell lateral raises 2 15-20
Traps Barbell shrugs 2 15-20
Dumbbell shrugs 2 15-20
Triceps Lying extensions 2 15-20
Pushdowns 2 15-20

* Squats hit both quadriceps and hamstrings, so they are followed by one
additional quad exercise (leg extensions) and one additional hamstring
exercise (leg curls).
References

* S. Agarwal et al., "Role of NF-kappaB transcription factors in antiinflammatory and proinflammatory actions of mechanical signals," Arthritis & Rheumatism, 50(11):3541-48, November 2004.

* J. Deschner et al., "Signal transduction by mechanical strain in chondrocytes," Current Opinion in Clinical Nutrition & Metabolic Care, 6(3):289-93, May 2003.

BY JIM STOPPANI, PHD

SCIENCE EDITOR

COPYRIGHT 2005 Weider Publications
COPYRIGHT 2005 Gale Group
 
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Old 03-06-2006, 03:04 PM   #8
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awesome post canabilistic_turnip...i'd rep you if i could. i don't exactly agree w/ the split but other than that great post
 
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Old 03-06-2006, 03:38 PM   #9
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Great post. I haven't really gotten any joint pain yet, but that will help when I do.
 
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Old 03-07-2006, 11:12 AM   #10
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Isnt this a lack of calcium issue???
 
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:26 PM   #11
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glucosamine and MSM dont help me and i have the same problems
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