[imraan47]

Hey..
ok there was a thread that i read posted by Disel on this matter and the link given was:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drryan13.htm

now i have a few questions to Disel and others have have a problem with this. The technique is quite hard for sure and seems like it could work for my conditions.
If you dont know yet, i have had the problem with my deltoids for years now. the problem is on both deltoids on the anterior side. when doing chest and shoulders mainly it really kills on specific movements but not at frist. for example, if i do incline first, after about 2-3 sets of even lower weight the pain starts to build up and kind of really burns and hurts. once this pain kicks in, it sticks around for the whole workout and even a few minutes after to up to 30 min after lifting.
when i do shoulders, it also sometimes hurts when performing seated dumbell presses or even front barbell presses. again the pain comes on slowly and gradually builds up. thus i sometimes take more rest than usual to keep the pain in some kind of control. the other thing is that when i do train chest say on monday, i cant do my shoulders till thursday because the shoulders are really in pain on tues and even more on wed, but on thurs its back to normal.
Now i know most of you will say take off the gym and i have. this pain has been on for soo long and i have taken 4-5 months of and once i hit the gym, the pain is BACK! dosent matter what i do. i have come to adapt different forms during pressing and seems to help a little but removes the tention of the muscle being worked and it still is a discomfort where the pain will still gradually build up. i was wondering with the link provided above, how many have u tired it and seen a difference and also has anyone had a similar problem to mine. i have looked into asking for a cortisol injection but since its a steroid and these substances are banned i dont think my doctor would even let me if i asked for him to deliver it for me.

[Diesel]

cortisol would be a mistake, it only masks the pain but does not repair/help the joint. First, I think it's important to go to the doctor just to make sure it is in fact tendonosis. Now, the doctor will probably not know what tendonosis really is because it is just a theory in the medical field as of now. But, if he says it's tendonitis (which he probably will) then you do in fact have tendonosis. I am in a search right now looking for adequan because it is suppose to be really helpful to your joints in so many ways. It's very hard to find but it is not a steroid even though it is injectiable. Other than that, I am trying Cissus Rx which is suppose to deliver nutrients to your tendons and ligaments. You can order it through Island Supplements.

Ok, as far as the program Dr. Ryan wrote I can't really speak on behalf of his part. I've been back training now for 8 weeks and my knees to feel better but I took 7 weeks off from training which was a huge mistake. See, when I took that time off it allowed scar tissue to form which is going to slow the process down quite a bit. Assuming this is tendonosis try putting some heat on the area and see what happens. If it starts to feel better then it's tendonosis, if not then I have no clue what it is. What you need to do is find the movements that hurt the most and then find the range of motion which hurts the most. lol sounds strange but the article states the same. Perform sets of 30-40 and just work on slow, controlled movements at first. Then you progessivly rep faster and faster. Well, enough of that because it's all in that article.

I will say that overall my tendons do feel better. Right now I am actually able to pin point where the exact tendon degeneration is located which does mean that the tendon as a whole is slowly recovering. You definately need to be patient with this because it can take a long, long time to heal. I'm 19 right now and have had this problem going on for 8-9 months. I'm hoping that it is fully healed within two years but who knows, it could even take longer.

EDIT: one thing I've always been confused about is that tendonosis is suppose to hurt when your lifting, atleast that's what the article states. But, he also states that your tendonosis should feel better when working out. If you read the whole article you will notice it and it confuses me. My tendons feel better when I lift and do other physical activities. It's when im resting that I get that slight ache.

[imraan47]

funny you mention that in your edit as mine is very opposite. when i am not doing anything and at rest its feels completely normal. as soon as my hand is in the air and doing something, even making the bed, it starts to hurt slowly. now the most painfull motion and exercise is incline barbel/dumbell, thus my upper pectoral's are very poorly built
i was going to go on a cycle of steroids and chose to go with the deltoids but now i am not touching them at all and i thought perhaps if you were to inject in the delts, it would definately heal it to some degree. i guess i will not find out soon.

[Diesel]

go to the doctor, its definately not tendonosis nor tendonitis. there's so many injuries than can occur with the shoulder. let me know what he says, just out of curiousity. theres more exercise's i could give for shoulder safety but it would be a shot in the dark unless i have an idea of what the injury is.

[imraan47]

well i know its not any of these. i saw an RMT a while ago (2 yrs) and he said it is bursitis and i believe him. tendonitis or tendonosis has different symptoms. i was even told from the athletic therapy at my university that when performing those presses the tendon is rubing against the clavicle causing irritation and so it gets inflamed and its the bursa that is getting more involved.