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Old 02-03-2006, 04:35 PM   #1
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Further to the post I made yesterday regarding intensity techniques. Here is a further list which also covers what I posted before but with some extra information!

THE JOE WEIDER BODYBUILDING SYSTEM
by Frederick Hatfield PhD of DrSquat.com

The Weider System has been in existence for fifty years or so, and has grown over the years to incorporate other great training ideas as they came along. It’s actually not a "system" in the strict definition of the term, but rather a "guide" to aid you in developing your own personal system based on your own unique recuperative ability, experience, goals, strengths, weaknesses, and ---well -- "guts" to go the distance.

This Weider System "guidelines" comes in the form of a series of training methods collected (and in most instances named) by Joe Weider personally over many years, which became widely known as the Weider Principles. In fact, of the Weider Principles that were developed by Joe personally, one in particular had a major impact on the world of bodybuilding. That was the concept of splitting your workouts to train specific body parts. The split system, double split system and triple split system, as they became known as, are Joe’s unique contribution to bodybuilding science.

There are three broad categories of Weider Principles:

1. Principles To Help You Plan Your Training Cycle
2. Principles To Help You Arrange Your Exercises In Each Workout
3. Principles To Help You Perform Each Exercise

It’s easy to discern whether this orderly collection of training methods, both in the aggregate and individually, adhere to the seven grand daddy principles (laws) spoken of throughout this four-part series. The simple truth is that individually they do not. But when you look at them in the aggregate, and the guidelines as to when and how to apply them, they most certainly do! Here’s why:

· The fact that you are training at all assumes that you know 1) you’re going to grow (Overcompensation Principle), 2) you are going to train regularly (The Use/Disuse Principle), and 3) weight training is the most efficient method of doing 1) and 2) as opposed to (say) riding a bicycle (Specificity Principle);

· Both the type and amount of adaptive stress each of the Weider Principles deliver to the organism can be manipulated very efficiently and effectively (S.A.I.D and Overload Principles respectively);

· Each method listed in the Weider System has its strengths and weaknesses in regards to the specific muscle components it targets (S.A.I.D. Principle), so you must use your instinct and experience in discerning when to apply each, or whether to apply it at all (Individual Differences Principle); and

· The list of methods is totally flexible. Within the instructions for each are listed guidelines to aid you in discerning whether to use it and how often to employ it in your day-to-day training microcycles (G.A.S. and Individual Differences Principles).

The three categories of principles discussed in the Weider System are listed below with a brief explanation of each. One of the principles appears in all three categories. That’s the Instinctive Training Principle. Folks, it’s simple. Use your own training experience and knowledge of how your body responds to exercise stress when planning and carrying out a training program! This must take place on a cycle-to-cycle, day-to-day and quite literally a minute-to-minute basis!

WEIDER PRINCIPLES TO HELP YOU PLAN YOUR TRAINING CYCLE

1. Cycle Training Principle (Breaking your training year into cycles for strength, mass or contest preparation you help avoid injury and keep your body responsive to adaptation)

2. Split System Training Principle (Breaking your workout week into upper versus lower body training, for example, results in more intense training sessions)

3. Double or Triple Split Training Principle (Breaking your workout down into two or three shorter, more intense training sessions per day)

4. Muscle Confusion Principle (Muscles accommodate to a specific type of stress ("habituate" or "plateau") when you continually apply the same stress to your muscles over time, so you must constantly vary exercises, sets, reps and weight to avoid accommodation)

5. Progressive Overload Principle (The basis of increasing any parameter of fitness is to make your muscles work harder than they are accustomed to)

6. Holistic Training Principle (Different cellular organelles respond differently to different forms of stress, so using a variety of rep/set schemes, intensity and frequency will maximize muscle mass)

7. Eclectic Training Principle (Combining mass, strength or isolation-refinement training techniques as your instincts dictate into your program often help you achieve greater progress)

8. Instinctive Training Principle (Eventually, all bodybuilders instinctively attain the ability to construct diets, routines, cycles, intensity levels, reps and sets that work best for them)

WEIDER PRINCIPLES TO HELP YOU ARRANGE YOUR WORKOUT

1. Set System Training Principle (Performing one set per bodypart was the old way; the Set System calls for multiple sets for each exercise in order to apply maximum adaptive stress)

2. Superset Training Principle (alternating opposing muscle group exercises with little rest between sets)

3. Compound Sets Training Principle (alternating two exercises for one bodypart with little rest between sets)

4. Tri-Sets Training Principle (Doing 3 exercises for one muscle group with little rest between sets)

5. Giant Sets Training Principle (Doing 4-6 exercises for one muscle group with little rest between sets)

6. Staggered Sets Principle (injecting 10 sets of boring forearm, abdominal or calf work in between sets for (say) chest or legs)

7. Rest-Pause Principle (using 85-90 percent of your max, do 2-3 reps and put the weight down. Then do 2-3 more, rest, 2-3 more and rest for a total of 3-4 rest-pauses. The short rest-pauses allow enough time for ATP to be resynthesized and permit further reps with the heavy weight);

8. Muscle Priority Principle (Work your weaker body parts first in any given workout; alternatively, work the larger muscle groups first, while you’re fresh and energy levels still high)

9. Pre-Exhaustion Principle (example: superset flies, a chest isolation exercise, with bench presses, a compound exercise involving triceps and chest, in order to maximize chest development by pre-exhausting the triceps)

10. Pyramiding Training Principle (start a bodypart session with higher rep/low weight and gradually add weight (and commensurably reduce the reps), ending with a weight you can do for 5 reps or so)

11. Descending Sets Principle (lighter weights from set to set as fatigue sets in --0 called "stripping")

12. Staggered Sets Training Principle (stagger smaller, slow-developing body parts in between sets for larger muscle groups)

13. Instinctive Training Principle (Eventually, all bodybuilders instinctively attain the ability to construct diets, routines, cycles, intensity levels, reps and sets that work best for them)

WEIDER PRINCIPLES TO HELP YOU PERFORM EACH EXERCISE

1. Isolation Principle (All muscles act as stabilizers, synergists, antagonist or protagonist. By making any given muscle the prime mover in any given exercise you’ve "isolated" it as much as possible, and therefore the stress applied to it)

2. Quality Training Principle (gradually reducing the rest between sets while still maintaining or increasing the number of reps performed)

3. Cheating Training Principle (swing weight past the sticking point at the end of a set in order to add stress)

4. Continuous Tension Principle (maintain slow, continuous tension on muscles to maximize red fiber involvement)

5. Forced Reps Training Principle (partner-assisted reps at the end of a set)

6. Flushing Training Principle (Doing 3-4 exercises for a bodypart before moving to another bodypart)

7. Burns Training Principle (2-3 inch, quick movements at the end of a set

8. Partial Reps Training Principle (Because of leverage changes throughout any given exercise, it’s sometimes helpful to do partial movements with varying weight in order to derive maximum overload stress for that bodypart)

9. Retro-Gravity Principle ("Negatives" or "eccentrics" as they’re called, make it possible to get more muscle cells to respond because you can lower about 30-40 percent more weight than you can successfully lift concentrically);

10. Peak Contraction Principle (holding the weight through maximum contraction for a few seconds at the completion of a movement);

11. Superspeed Principle (compensatory acceleration of movements to stimulate hard-to-reach fast twitch fibers);

12. Iso-Tension Principle (method of practicing posing, tensing each muscle maximally for 6-10 seconds for up to a total of 30-44 flexes in a variety of posing positions);

13. Instinctive Training Principle (Eventually, all bodybuilders instinctively attain the ability to construct diets, routines, cycles, intensity levels, reps and sets that work best for them)
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Old 02-04-2006, 05:06 AM   #2
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thx man .. a lot of wieder's princeples are using in gyms now a days
 
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Old 02-04-2006, 06:05 AM   #3
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i guess im being ignorant or just misinformed - but when you first start out you're doing nearly half of these anyway when i do a drop set i dont call it "joe weiders" principles.
besides in arnolds book he says weider flew over the world/country watching the top pros train wrote down what they were and the only thing he done was ut his name to them!
btw every picture i see of ben weider he looks like a gaylord
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Old 02-04-2006, 08:18 AM   #4
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Weider stole principles and put his name on it
 
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Old 02-04-2006, 08:31 AM   #5
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hey i have a question like we all no that we have 2 change exersie and routines in order 2 shock our muscles into something new or into new growth in order for our muscle 2 adabte my my question is that is it true i mena doesnt the muscle most likly just stretch and contract in any exersice then y do we have 2 change exersices and routines from time 2 time.....i mean wut if i do the same worloout over and over again exept with highrt wigth 2 chalange my muscles will that b fine or do i still have 2 change....i hope some of the experts will comment on this like hdogg....thx...
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Old 02-04-2006, 09:03 AM   #6
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So when Columbus named America he was stealing it?!?

Weider is a marketing machine, and he knows how to take a concept and give it a tag. He never claimed to have invented any of the principles, but most assume too much, or are just too ignorant to read the whole article.
 
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Old 02-04-2006, 10:33 AM   #7
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So when Columbus named America he was stealing it?!?

Weider is a marketing machine, and he knows how to take a concept and give it a tag. He never claimed to have invented any of the principles, but most assume too much, or are just too ignorant to read the whole article.

Columbus did not name America . it wasnamed by the man who maped it ,from Italy I forget his first namebut the last was Americos
 
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Old 02-04-2006, 12:56 PM   #8
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Cool - a history lesson!

Fahad, I suppose as much as your body getting used to an exercise, the change isn't so much to shock the body but more to attack the muscle in a slightly different manner thus promoting growth in different fibers. We all know that changing hand or foot position can alter the way it hits the muscle aswell as different incline, etc, so by changing the exercise you are hitting the muscle differently and creating extra growth to aid the exercise you were doing before hence the ability to up the weight again.
But you're right, I'm sure one of the mods can explain it better and add more to it than me!
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Old 02-04-2006, 01:22 PM   #9
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Ummm priest actually the man was called Amerigo Vespucci and it wasn't him that chose the name but some other guy called Martin Waldseemüller.
 
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Columbus did not name America . it wasnamed by the man who maped it ,from Italy I forget his first namebut the last was Americos
LOL guess that shows my ignorance of American history!!

But it just goes to further my point. Too many comments are made which are completely ignorant of the facts/truth. And rather than slight the source (in this case Weider) the usefull information should be used, rather than slighted because of association.
 
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Old 02-05-2006, 09:08 AM   #11
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Ummm priest actually the man was called Amerigo Vespucci and it wasn't him that chose the name but some other guy called Martin Waldseemüller.
yes yes man lol thats it ,hey its been a long long time since I was in school
 
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Old 02-05-2006, 09:17 AM   #12
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LOL guess that shows my ignorance of American history!!

But it just goes to further my point. Too many comments are made which are completely ignorant of the facts/truth. And rather than slight the source (in this case Weider) the usefull information should be used, rather than slighted because of association.
yep I still knew what you meant bro . I must say I too dislike how weider threw his name if front of all training methods . the training is sound and very good info ,it just sucks how he wanted credit for everything .
 
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