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    tribulus terrestris

    Im not sure if anybody knows about this or not it might have already been a thread but i guess tribulus terrestris which is the main ingredient in your test boosting pills does no such thing. Scientists did multiple studies that proves that this herb is only a herb and does not have any affect on your testosterone or strength levels what so ever. I was wondering if these pills even have a point to them anymore if anybody knows anything else about this please let me know and add more if what i am saying is true so people don't waste anymore money. (i read this in September's issue of muscular development)

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    Hey buddy i have used tribulus and found that i did get some good gains from using it. I didnt notice straight away but after 2-3weeks i started noticing some results. Allot of bodybuilders here in aus use tribulus after coming of steriod cycles to restore natural testosterone levels although its not as good as clomoid or nolvadex its reasy to get your hands on.
    You could try alpha male tables which are also good or you can use axis HT made by BSN ronnie colemans range that stuff is awesome i noticed more results using the bsn beand rather than the wildbull brand i used.
    hope that helps you out a bit

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    yea i know alot of people who said they have made awsome gains from it too but i just wanted to see if maybe anybody else heard about this and if anyone else beleive it or whatever but thanks for the reply

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    It increases testosterone, and I heard that anything that raises testosterone can make your hair fall out. I would be careful about anything that manipulates hormones. I plan on being a natural bodybuilder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big MuMbO jUmBo View Post
    Im not sure if anybody knows about this or not it might have already been a thread but i guess tribulus terrestris which is the main ingredient in your test boosting pills does no such thing. Scientists did multiple studies that proves that this herb is only a herb and does not have any affect on your testosterone or strength levels what so ever. I was wondering if these pills even have a point to them anymore if anybody knows anything else about this please let me know and add more if what i am saying is true so people don't waste anymore money. (i read this in September's issue of muscular development)
    i have read the same a while back....not proven to boost testosterone.... maybe it would work well in conjuction with something else....heard it was a good dieretic though

    i have used it for a while.... i didnt notice anything

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    I am doing a research paper on natural testosterone boosters. I have done a clean blood testosterone count already, in a months time I will do another test after taking a month of terrus. Then some more tests on other natural test boosters after that.

    There are 3 ways to raise testosterone naturally and 3 products you can buy for each method.

    1. Raise testosterone like with the terrus herb
    2. Free bound testosterone but have the same total amount just more free testosterone.
    3. Make the recepters to testosterone more sensitive, but total amount stays the same.

    After I write up my paper I will post the results here in a seperate thread, the full report will be in about 3 to 6 months.

    After I get the result from the terrus herb I will post under this thread in a month or so's time.

    I am doing a seperate paper on human growth hormone. There are natural ways to raise it without any side effects. I have to go to a seperate lab for those as they are more specialist than the lab I use for the testosterone research.

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    awesome post ^^^ cant wait to see the results of your studies!

    this is what i got:
    Tribulus boosts testosterone levels, which along with octacosanol enhances the firing of nerve fibres that control muscle contraction to boost its force.

    i have never used a Tribulus but it seems like a legit supplement
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    Finally i see other people using trib. its a good supplement, i think it activates your test levels a bit more then normal. Its only a herb found in plants and takes a while to break down. i have only been using tribulus ass a supplement and i gained 10kg in about 4 months. good gains
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    I think the main advantage of Trib is there are no side effects, so even if there were only a small gain or even none at all, there will not be the serious issues roids can have, also Trib is cheap, especially if you wait for the discount days, 3 months supply is about 20 dollars.

    I found when using it I felt my spirits were raised and I felt happier, which is a common side effect of higher test. Even if it just makes you feel good, it might be worth using lol

    The only 2 products I can say I really felt a differece when using were the all in one cyclone, probably because of the creatine, and casein protein a night time drink. Casein takes 6 hours or more to digest so gives you protein throught the night.

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    lots of the guys here will tell you this at 18 you dont need anything but food and protein and possibly creatine. I have read a few reports on trib half one way and half the other usually when the reports run this way the gains wind up being from a placebo effect but I cant say for sure. If I were you I would quit but thats just me. Hopefully Team orbit will weigh in on this for you he is in the industry and can aside from Arcangel give you the best insight.
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    One thing to note is that the side effects to roids are due to the test,GH and others coming from an external source. Even homone replacement theropy (HRT) for men,at age 40 plus, can have the roids side effects, because its given externally, usually by injection.

    Natural stuff like terrus, makes the body produce more test, so the test is not from an external source, this is why there are no side effects. Mind you, the extra levels of test from terrus might be low. The way it works however is at least safe. Best to buy terrus or any other herb from a large company like GNC. A website with a hotmail address could be selling anything.

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    i love TT it worked really good for me. i think its just like any other lifting related thing. sometimes it helps people. sometimes its not for you. but i loved it and im actually getting more next week heh. i just found that i couldnt stay on it for more than a month.
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    Yes TT you have to cycle. Not that its unheathy after a month, just your body gets used to it. I think the cycle is 4 weeks on 2 weeks off. Or use when there is a special offer on, and rest when its full price hehe

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    heh yea man.
    TEAM BIG PAYCHECK!! every time you add a pound to your lift, or gain that extra bit of muscle. or hit a new max, take another "after" picture your proud of, thats a payment to your dedication. its not money but thats the biggest paycheck you can get. Join the team

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    I have used trib and Im not to sure about the muscle gains but after about two weeks in I was as toey as a roman sandle. The missus loved it!

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    I've used it before, probably for about a month, didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.. placebo effect maybe?

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    I have to say that creatine is the only thing where there has been a big noticable difference, out of all the suppliments.

    I will get my test results in a day or two then we can at least see if terrus raises test in the blood. I wonder sometimes if the bulk of muscle building is down to genes and even with a bad diet, no supps etc, if you got the genes for it you will make it.

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    I used a 2 month stack recommended at bodybuilder at the vitamin shoppe of:

    Tibulus (40% Saponis)
    Fenugreek
    Sarsaparilla
    Mexican Wild Yam
    ZMA before bed.

    All of these things are supposed to boost your test levels and....Nothing! felt no effects from it what-so-ever and I trained like a freak. He said that I probably need a higher Saponis dose of like 60%. I am not wastng my money again on what may or may not work.


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    TEST RESULTS

    Sorry I did not get these in before.

    I did a blood test for testosterone clean and after taking Terrus herb.

    I had intended to take the terrus for 3 weeks then have a blood test but because of the time of year the lab ended up doing it after 6 weeks. So I was taking terrus everyay for 6 weeks before the blood test.

    Here are the results

    Clean before terrus:

    380 pmol/L free testosterone
    14.6 nmol/L total testosterone

    After 6 weeks of terrus herb (no other testosterone source)

    313 pmol/L free testosterone
    11.3 nmol/L total testosterone

    Wow testosterone went down!! I think this is because the cycle time on the terrus herb is a max of 4 weeks although I feel 2 to 3 weeks is the true cycle time. While taking the herb I felt better, did good work outs but only for about 2 weeks, then the effect dropped off.

    As the testosterone went down, this does show the herb has an effect. By going down its more of a post cycle crash because I went over the normal cycle time.

    I am going to do another test after going clean then taking the herb for only 2 weeks then do a testosterone test. I will try to use a different lab which does not have a high wait time, they are great but cheaper means not as flexible.

    If you want to try a terrus herb I think it only helps for 2 weeks. So if you have a holiday and want to blitz the gym for a week or 2 then I think terrus will offer something, but its not a long term supp because your testerone will crash.
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    lol............try to make anouther test but with tt take l-ornitine and l-arginine.....these are esential aminoacid wich helps to raise your testosteron level.
    try to make this one i m curious about the result :)
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    i think the herb had no effect on u and the reason your numbers are low could be multiple things such as time of day stress ect. if the herb you were takin boost test and u were takin it the entire six weeks your test levels would of been higher if in fact the herb worked regardless of how long u were taking the product i would not bother tryin same product again imo

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    I have found when using the BULGARIAN Tribulus that it definitely gives me a "sexual boost" and also has had some acne along with my use of 2 pills a day at 750mg each. SO, those effects has to be from ramping up my testosterone levels a bit. It may not have the effects of a "steroid" but it does work in my opinion and with my results. I do not use it anymore as I am now using some "other" things that work a lot faster. But yea.. That brand worked well for me while taking it.
    I am 30 yrs old and the test isn't what it was at 17 and of course if you are younger you may not see a big effect from using it. But my suggestion if going to take Tribulus is take 750mg twice daily for at least 4 weeks.

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    i was on 1250mg of trib stacked wit 200mg dhea n andro ed. trib is **** by itself, all it does is makes u horny. stil der is an upside 2 dis all, trib has a natural effect as a diuretic which cn make u fink dat der getin leaner but infact ur jus loosin excess water. trib by itself is not all dat, save ur doe unless ur planin 2 cycle wit dhea or andro
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    If over 25 or more .. I say Get a bottle of the Bulgarian Tribuls 750 mg each capsule. Try it out to see for your self.

    Keep in mind.. everyones body reacts differently to a given substance but it def would kick in my test after a "cycle" and also i have taken it while i was on NO cycle or anything, and saw good results in my overall well being and feeling which is a side of raised test levels.
    As far as gaining 10 lbs of muscle while on it... NO that didn't happen but I can say it boosted my "want" to get in the gym and also the GIRLFRIEND didnt mind it either =)

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    used trib a few times, stacked it with ZMA. bulgarian trib that is! ok results... not much muscle gain, but felt stronger and it showed in the gym. my lady was happy, too. Try Isotori iso-test... I found that the best. If i go on a cycle again, it'll be on iso_test, if I can get my hand on it in ireland. trib is band here. the good thing about iso-test is that it has ZMA in it.

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    It doesnt work, can any of you actually get scientific evedence that it does?

    Heres two that prove it doesnt,

    Tribulus terrestris is an herbal nutritional supplement that is promoted to produce large gains in strength and lean muscle mass in 5-28 days (15, 18). Although some manufacturers claim T. terrestris will not lead to a positive drug test, others have suggested that T. terrestris may increase the urinary testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio, which may place athletes at risk of a positive drug test. The purpose of the study was to determine the effect of T. terrestris on strength, fat free mass, and the urinary T/E ratio during 5 weeks of preseason training in elite rugby league players. Twenty-two Australian elite male rugby league players (mean +/- SD; age = 19.8 +/- 2.9 years; weight = 88.0 +/- 9.5 kg) were match-paired and randomly assigned in a double-blind manner to either a T. terrestris (n = 11) or placebo (n = 11) group. All subjects performed structured heavy resistance training as part of the club's preseason preparations. A T. terrestris extract (450 mg.d(-1)) or placebo capsules were consumed once daily for 5 weeks. Muscular strength, body composition, and the urinary T/E ratio were monitored prior to and after supplementation. After 5 weeks of training, strength and fat free mass increased significantly without any between-group differences. No between-group differences were noted in the urinary T/E ratio. It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days. Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency's urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1.

    PMID: 17530942 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


    The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of the herbal preparation Tribulus terrestris (tribulus) on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males. Fifteen subjects were randomly assigned to a placebo or tribulus (3.21 mg per kg body weight daily) group. Body weight, body composition, maximal strength, dietary intake, and mood states were determined before and after an 8-week exercise (periodized resistance training) and supplementation period. There were no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total body water, dietary intake, or mood states in either group. Muscle endurance (determined by the maximal number of repetitions at 100-200% of body weight) increased for the bench and leg press exercises in the placebo group (p <.05; bench press +/-28.4%, leg press +/-28.6%), while the tribulus group experienced an increase in leg press strength only (bench press +/-3.1%, not significant; leg press +/-28.6%, p <.05). Supplementation with tribulus does not enhance body composition or exercise performance in resistance-trained males.

    PMID: 10861339 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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    I'll agree to that, I took ZMA and Tribulus for 2 months and I experienced no change. Then again it probably depends on each individuals Test levels, Mine were apparently high enough.


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    I think u r 2 young for trib use. so if you use it oneself you cant wait performance from trib.and you have to be carefull when do you useing it
    I mean: in a dayi, evening, midnight ? you can use it 30 mnt. before the
    exercise with which supp r u taken.
    u r just 17 years old and u r testosterone level max now.I think u dont have 2 need it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by togika1 View Post
    I think u r 2 young for trib use. so if you use it oneself you cant wait performance from trib.and you have to be carefull when do you useing it
    I mean: in a dayi, evening, midnight ? you can use it 30 mnt. before the
    exercise with which supp r u taken.
    u r just 17 years old and u r testosterone level max now.I think u dont have 2 need it.




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    man respect nice post!
    dudes u do not neeeeeedddd to take tt at 17 18 19 or 16 15 yaers old
    it makes no sense for me why! couse you testosteron level is changing everyday....so you do not need it....at this age all you need is to make musucle as cleac as is posible and have more and more cut.....and after 3 4 5 years you will get what you want.
    i did the same thing when i was at your age 16 -18 19


    and i red rubbybt post
    my opinion is that 5 weeks is little time for results
    becouse the body will net 2-3 weeks to get used to this changes and aftyer this the whole thing happens...
    if i were you i would take tt 7-8 mounts with l-ornitine and l-arginine
    and i will tell you that the result will be......lengendaryyyyy.
    just do not stop taking tt fast....
    with good workouts and good eating...tahts all you need
    learn to be patiens.....

    this is no steroids...roids can give you fast result.no tt but after all no risk taking it ! am i right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorilla View Post


    and i red rubbybt post
    my opinion is that 5 weeks is little time for results
    becouse the body will net 2-3 weeks to get used to this changes and aftyer this the whole thing happens...
    if i were you i would take tt 7-8 mounts with l-ornitine and l-arginine
    and i will tell you that the result will be......lengendaryyyyy.
    just do not stop taking tt fast....
    with good workouts and good eating...tahts all you need
    learn to be patiens.....

    this is no steroids...roids can give you fast result.no tt but after all no risk taking it ! am i right
    Tribulus is only meant to be cyled for 4 weeks on, not 7-8 months. Trust me it doesnt work and is just a marketing ploy used to take money off people. If it did work then why isnt it banned by any athletic regulators. And when you consider how tight they are that they even regulate caffeine but they dont ban Tribulus. The reason is because it doesnt work!

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