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Old 10-03-2008, 03:53 PM   #1
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Hey all.. I'm 18 years old and I've just started training harder than I ever have before in my life. My question was that I've been working out about 5 days a week for a month and I'm feeling sore all the time. My diet is great, I drink lots of water and I take 1 shake of whey protein isolate after every workout. On my off days I don't have any protein shakes. I also take USANA multivitamins.

Does anyone know anything that would speed up my recovery time? I train heavy and I always go my hardest so I'm not sure if I'm overtraining?

Any help would be great, thanks.
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Old 10-03-2008, 09:08 PM   #2
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There's probably imperfections in your training rhythm so get us this info and we're good to go!

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Old 10-04-2008, 02:28 PM   #4
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Thanks!
My diet is always different, but I'm always hungry and eat a small meal about every 3 hours. An example of a day would be:

9:00 Breakfast: Vector Cereal, OJ, Hard boiled egg
Snack: Nutri Grain bar, juice, apple
12:00 Lunch: Big sub or else I usually eat at Rick's Grill.. some prime rib or something.
3:00 Snack: Cottage cheese with canned fruit, Yogurt/Granola, Pita bread with Hummus.
6:00 Dinner: Mom makes big dinner, always meat, salad and veggies.
8:00 Workout (I'm not sure what to eat before my workout.)
Pure whey isolate shake after workout.
Then often something before bed because I get hungry again.
(I drink water all day and during my workout)

I'm 5'11 on a good day and I weight 160. I am not sure of my BF%.

My training used to be random before I found this forum, an example of last week would be:
Sunday - Arms
Monday - Shoulders/Traps (I love the look of big traps)
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - OFF
Thursday - Chest
Friday - Legs

Working Abs whenever.. when I worked them on thursday they were still too sore to work on saturday.

Workouts are about max weight for 10 reps/4 sets. I used to do 1 set of an exercise and then go do a set of a different exercise and return to the first one after that. I'm not sure if that is the proper way to be doing things.

The split that I would like to do is one I saw on the forum and is:

Monday - Back
Tuesday - Chest
Wednesday - Shoulders/Traps
Thursday - Arms
Friday - Legs
Sat/Sun - Off

I hope that helps a bit.. thank you very much for your guys input. I sometimes feel like there must be things I could do to improve my diet or routine to maximize my results.
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:02 PM   #5
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Thanks!
My diet is always different, but I'm always hungry and eat a small meal about every 3 hours. An example of a day would be:

9:00 Breakfast: Vector Cereal, OJ, Hard boiled egg
Snack: Nutri Grain bar, juice, apple
12:00 Lunch: Big sub or else I usually eat at Rick's Grill.. some prime rib or something.
3:00 Snack: Cottage cheese with canned fruit, Yogurt/Granola, Pita bread with Hummus.
6:00 Dinner: Mom makes big dinner, always meat, salad and veggies.
8:00 Workout (I'm not sure what to eat before my workout.)
Pure whey isolate shake after workout.
Then often something before bed because I get hungry again.
(I drink water all day and during my workout)

I'm 5'11 on a good day and I weight 160. I am not sure of my BF%.
I'm not the best when it comes to diets, but I can see a couple of flaws right away. The Cottage Cheese isn't really necessary at 3pm, maybe replace it with some solid meat protein? Tuna, perhaps? As it seems you're not getting a source of fish oil.

Before you workout you need to get some complex carbs in your body, and post-workout you need simple carbs for an insulin spike, I like a couple pieces of white bread, but what's really good are baked potatoes. Check out the GI chart in the Nutrition section, most-all of the high GI foods are great for right after your workout for that insulin spike (minus those containing fructose), in addition to your protein.

Your post-workout meal is HUGE, so in my opinion, if you can, maybe end your workout 20-30 minutes before dinner is normally ready, that way you can replenish those proteins and carbs. However, if you can't alter the time you workout, you need to get a solid source of protein (I like chicken, or red meat of some sort, but remember minimal fat), complex carbs, and low fat within like 30 minutes after your workout. What I do is workout, in the gym parking lot down a protein shake/BCAA's/Creatine and two pieces of white bread. Then I head home and get my post-workout meal in.

Before bed is when you want to eat that cottage cheese, as cottage cheese contains Casein Protein. Casein protein absorbs into your body very slow, so it gives you a good source of protein to hold you over until breakfast.

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My training used to be random before I found this forum, an example of last week would be:
Sunday - Arms
Monday - Shoulders/Traps (I love the look of big traps)
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - OFF
Thursday - Chest
Friday - Legs

Working Abs whenever.. when I worked them on thursday they were still too sore to work on saturday.


Workouts are about max weight for 10 reps/4 sets. I used to do 1 set of an exercise and then go do a set of a different exercise and return to the first one after that. I'm not sure if that is the proper way to be doing things.
Why not group up some stuff? For example, I like to do Chest/Tri's one day, as most chest workouts end up getting your triceps anyway. Another thing you could group is your Back/Bi's. You say you love the look of big traps, so maybe keep shoulders by itself, if that's your area of emphasis (For example, I needed a bigger chest, so I did Chest 2x/week)? Legs by itself is good, as that is a huge muscle group.

You need to add at least a little bit of cardio in there. If you're bulking, which I'd imagine you are, do some low intensity stuff 2-3 times/week.

As far as the 4x10, I'm not a fan of that. When I started that's how I was doing it, too. I've become big on increasing weights (way better gains for me, but maybe something else works for you). For example, when I bench it goes like this.

15 (warm-up, light weight)
10,8,8,6

Each time you increase your weight. You're not putting on enough weight if on your last set of 6 you can do 10. The last rep of the set is supposed to be all you can do. If you can do more than that, add weight.



That's just my two cents.
 
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Old 10-04-2008, 04:09 PM   #6
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Ok, I can definetly do that. I'm gonna start working out earlier next week and I'll have dinner after my workout. I eat the cottage cheese just because I like it as an after school snack, but I can also easily change that to later as well.

I'll also increase my weight for sure. I'll just have to figure that one out in the gym to see how much more I can lift.

Would you recommend I take more supplements? My goal is to become bigger, and then of course I want to be toned for summer.. but I don't know if it's possible to get bigger and stay toned at the same time.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:27 PM   #7
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Ok, I can definetly do that. I'm gonna start working out earlier next week and I'll have dinner after my workout. I eat the cottage cheese just because I like it as an after school snack, but I can also easily change that to later as well.

I'll also increase my weight for sure. I'll just have to figure that one out in the gym to see how much more I can lift.

Would you recommend I take more supplements? My goal is to become bigger, and then of course I want to be toned for summer.. but I don't know if it's possible to get bigger and stay toned at the same time.

Yeah, doing those types of sets is time consuming to learn your weights at first.

As far as supplements, just remember that your diet is #1. Once you have that down, whcih I'm sure you will, I'd reccomend a stack similiar to mine:

Multi-Vitamin - Any brand is alright.

Protein, preferably 100% whey (What brand do you have now?) - I like ON Protein.

Creatine Monohydrate - Only taken GNC brand mono, It's a bit overpriced, but a bunch of it was given to me and I will probably get more when it runs out, as it has worked.

Nitric Oxide is optional, it helps with your pump, and gets the blood flowing to the muscles. I've never tried it, but I am gonna pick it up soon. - I reccomend BSN NO Xplode.

Weightgainer is also optional. Whole foods are much better. I've taken GNC Mass XXX weightgainer and it worked alright, but it's hard to go drop $50+ on another weightgainer when I can get that in food. I do homemade weightgainers now, 2 cups oats+1-2 cups milk+3-4 frozen strawberries+a scooop of protein... It goes down a whole lot easier than you'd think, at least until the end when you get chunks, lol.

Some guys on here also reccomend Fish Oils/Flaxseed Oil, but I go with Tuna and Olive Oil, but I'm certainly not the most intelligent guy on this board. :)


I'm not saying my information is not credible, but at the same time I am still learning myself, so hopefully we get some more replies up in here.
 
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Old 10-05-2008, 05:55 PM   #8
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Yeah, doing those types of sets is time consuming to learn your weights at first.

As far as supplements, just remember that your diet is #1. Once you have that down, whcih I'm sure you will, I'd reccomend a stack similiar to mine:

Multi-Vitamin - Any brand is alright.

Protein, preferably 100% whey (What brand do you have now?) - I like ON Protein.

Creatine Monohydrate - Only taken GNC brand mono, It's a bit overpriced, but a bunch of it was given to me and I will probably get more when it runs out, as it has worked.

Nitric Oxide is optional, it helps with your pump, and gets the blood flowing to the muscles. I've never tried it, but I am gonna pick it up soon. - I reccomend BSN NO Xplode.

Weightgainer is also optional. Whole foods are much better. I've taken GNC Mass XXX weightgainer and it worked alright, but it's hard to go drop $50+ on another weightgainer when I can get that in food. I do homemade weightgainers now, 2 cups oats+1-2 cups milk+3-4 frozen strawberries+a scooop of protein... It goes down a whole lot easier than you'd think, at least until the end when you get chunks, lol.

Some guys on here also reccomend Fish Oils/Flaxseed Oil, but I go with Tuna and Olive Oil, but I'm certainly not the most intelligent guy on this board. :)


I'm not saying my information is not credible, but at the same time I am still learning myself, so hopefully we get some more replies up in here.
My whey protein brand is BioX from GNC and I have got some weightgainer too. I think I will look into creatine if it will help alot.

Thanks alot for your replies man.. I feel like I understand some important things I was wondering about.
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Old 10-07-2008, 01:49 AM   #9
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Yeah, just check out the sticky post in this forum that Allstar made. Teen Supplementation.

Creatine is huge, in my opinion. The gains I got after I started taking creatine were big. It put me up and over my plateau and really filled up my muscles, like I had hoped.

Don't let people bull**** you how it's "water muscles" and all that. There is some water retention, but that just makes it that much better I think, makes you look even better. And like I said, in addition to fuller muscles there're some strength gains there, too.

MAKE SURE YOU DRINK A LOT OF WATER TAKING CREATINE! You will become dehydrated if you aren't drinking enough!
 
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Old 10-07-2008, 01:59 AM   #10
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As long as you follow creatine loading, and maintanence phases and keep hydrated creatine is a great product.
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try epsom salt baths as well...they take a lot of the pain away
 
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