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Old 02-07-2006, 07:44 PM   #1
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I usually go to bed at night after drinking a tall glass of skim milk. So I was wondering if you guys think this will affect my ZMA uptake since I heard Calcium can block Zinc from absorption? Is this something I should be worried about.. or no big deal?
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The calcium more than likely would effect it. I would take the ZMA about a half hour before you drink the milk.
 
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Old 02-08-2006, 01:23 AM   #3
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The calcium more than likely would effect it. I would take the ZMA about a half hour before you drink the milk.
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i agree with Flex .. i have the same problem before about how to take my ZMA and not to drink my milk .. then i realized that i have to take it before an half hour
 
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Old 02-12-2006, 03:57 AM   #5
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I usually go to bed at night after drinking a tall glass of skim milk. So I was wondering if you guys think this will affect my ZMA uptake since I heard Calcium can block Zinc from absorption? Is this something I should be worried about.. or no big deal?
Hi bro, was talking to a owner of a supplement company 3 days ago he said milk f#@*'s everything as it places a lining over the stomach wall and block proper absorbtion of most products, as you would know you should have all your protein shakes on water as well not milk.
 
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Whats ZMA stand for
 
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Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate
 
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what does it do? what should i do drink milk after what??? what contains zinc lol help me out here.
 
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Old 02-13-2006, 03:29 AM   #9
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ZMA raises testerone. Makes you sleep better too.

Don't drink milk with it, calcium gets priority to be absorbed by the bod.
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Zinc status and serum testosterone levels of healthy adults.

Prasad AS, Mantzoros CS, Beck FW, Hess JW, Brewer GJ.

Department of Internal Medicine, Wayne State University School of Medicine, Detroit, Michigan, USA.

Zinc deficiency is prevalent throughout the world, including the USA. Severe and moderate deficiency of zinc is associated with hypogonadism in men. However, the effect of marginal zinc deficiency on serum testosterone concentration is not known. We studied the relationship between cellular zinc concentrations and serum testosterone cross-sectionally in 40 normal men, 20 to 80 y of age. In four normal young men (27.5 +/- 0.5 y), we measured serum testosterone before and during marginal zinc deficiency induced by restricting dietary zinc intake. We also measured serum testosterone in nine elderly men (64 +/- 9 y) who were marginally zinc deficient before and after 3 to 6 mo of supplementation with 459 mumol/ d oral zinc administered as zinc gluconate. Serum testosterone concentrations were significantly correlated with cellular zinc concentrations in the cross-sectional study (lymphocyte zinc versus serum testosterone, r = 0.43, p = 0.006; granulocyte zinc versus serum testosterone, r = 0.30, p = 0.03). Dietary zinc restriction in normal young men was associated with a significant decrease in serum testosterone concentrations after 20 weeks of zinc restriction (baseline versus post-zinc restriction mean +/- SD, 39.9 +/- 7.1 versus 10.6 +/- 3.6 nmol/L, respectively; p = 0.005). Zinc supplementation of marginally zinc-deficient normal elderly men for six months resulted in an increase in serum testosterone from 8.3 +/- 6.3 to 16.0 +/- 4.4 nmol/L (p = 0.02). We conclude that zinc may play an important role in modulating serum testosterone levels in normal men.



A Novel Zinc and Magnesium Formulation (ZMA)
Increases Anabolic Hormones and Strength in Athletes
L. R. Brilla, Western Washington University, Bellingham, WA 98225, and V. Conte, BALCO Laboratories, Burlingame, CA 94010.

A double-blind, randomized study was conducted to determine the effect of a novel zinc and magnesium formulation (ZMA) on anabolic hormone levels and strength in athletes. Members of the University football team (n=27) had blood collected at the beginning and end of an 8 week period of intensive training. Subjects were supplemented with ZMA (n=12) or placebo (n=15) for the 8 weeks. The ZMA group took 3 capsules nightly that contained a total of 30 mg of ZN as monomethionine/aspartate, 450 mg of Mg as aspartate and 10.5 mg of vitamin B-6. The plasma Zn and Mg levels increased in the ZMA group by 29.1% (.804 to 1.038 mcg/ml) and 6.2% (19.43 to 20.63 mcg/ml), respectively, while levels decreased in the placebo group by 4.4% (.836 to .799 mcg/ml) and 9.2% (19.68 to 18.04 mcg/ml), respectively. The total and free testosterone levels in serum increased in the ZMA group by 32.4% (567.9 to 752.7 ng/dl) and 33.5% (132.1 to 176.3 pg/mL), respectively, in contrast to the placebo group which decreased by 10.5% (588.8 to 526.8 ng/dL) and 10.2% (141.0 to 126.6 pg/mL), respectively. The serum, IGF-1 levels increased in the ZMA group by 3.6% (424.2 to 439.3 ng/mL) and decreased in the placebo group by 21.5% (437.3 to 343.3 g/mL). All comparisons were statistically significant (P<0.001). Pre and post isokenetic strength determinations in newton meters were made using a Biodex dynamometer. Subjects (ZMA n=10; placebo n=11) were measured for maximum quadricep strength on the right leg at 180 degrees per sec (strength) and 300 degrees per second (functional power). The ZMA strength group change at 180 degrees per second was 11.6% (189.9 to 211.8) compared to the placebo group change of +44.6% (204.2 to 209.1) and the ZMA group change at 300 degrees per sec. was +18.2% (316.5 to 373.7), in contrast to the +9.4% (369.5 to 404.3) for the placebo group (P<0.05). These findings suggest that nightly supplementation with ZMA significantly increases Zn and Mg levels, anabolic hormone levels as well as strength and power in athletes.

Sports Medicine, Training and Rehabilitation Journal, November 1998 (in press)
 
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Just found this, what you think about Hdogg?

Calcium and ZMA in Instant Mass, a good combination?
09 Sep 2004
A lot of people have been asking why we put ZMA in our Instant Mass, when the calcium present in the protein prevents the effective absorption of the ZMA. Well here is the answer…

First of all you can mix calcium with ZMA contrary to what so called "experts" might say.

I'll explain why. ZMA is a simple mix of Zinc Monomthionine, Magnesium Aspartate, and Vitamin B6.

Both Zinc Monomethionine and Magnesium Aspartate are amino acid chelated. Chelation is a chemical process in which amino acids are reacted with minerals to form chelates. A better way to describe them would be mineral peptides. They have a very small molecular weight (less than 800 Daltons) and are treated by the body, or the digestive system , as small peptides. Much like a di-peptide. They pass straight through the intestine wall.

Herein lies the tremendous failing and misunderstanding of the calcium/ZMA rigmarole. It is true that Zinc/Calcium/Magnesium salts will compete for absorption in the intestine. BUT only salts, i.e. Magnesium Oxide, Zinc Citrate etc. When we look at say Zinc Monomethionine for example it compromises 20% Zinc and 80% L-monomethionine. You can now see the science behind chelated minerals and why they are so effective.

Unfortunately people will often just pick up a book and read that Zinc should not be taken with Calcium. Even the marketers of ZMA still do not fully understand how it is absorbed, which is downright negligence.

A great deal of our research into minerals and there application for sports nutrition comes from Albion Labs in the USA. Pioneers in amino acid chelation.
 
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Old 02-13-2006, 04:32 AM   #11
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is ZMA a product i can buy and where?
 
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http://islandsupplements.com/home.php?cat=23
 
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Hi bro, was talking to a owner of a supplement company 3 days ago he said milk f#@*'s everything as it places a lining over the stomach wall and block proper absorbtion of most products, as you would know you should have all your protein shakes on water as well not milk.
That's funny cause I was thinking of cutting back on the calcium I'm getting anyway. I eat plenty of cheese and drink skim milk a lot when I don't have the Muscle Milk drinks. Maybe I'm getting too much calcium or milk? If that's possible? Thanks.
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