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Old 02-07-2006, 08:19 AM   #1
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I was gonna post a question myself relating to this and then found this as I was searching around the net.

Will what is suggested here work, as I was thinking this same thing myself in a bid to increase my weight. Eating regularly increases your metabolism (mine is already high) so I thought this would be a good idea to play around with my metabolism a little bit. Any comments/ideas would be welcome.



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I'm 30 years old, 6-feet, 170 pounds. I've been trying to bulk up for some time now but it's not working. I tried for many years to scarf down as much food and supplements as I could and lifted as heavy as I could, and although I gained a little, my appearance has changed that much and at one point I gained more fat than muscle. I still don't have that beefy look that I want. And although I still look thin, I seem to retain a little padding of fat, especially around the waist that gives me a "soft" look. My goal is to get to around 190 and lean, but when I start taking in huge quantities of food as most people recommend, I just get fat, not muscular. What am I doing wrong? What do you recommend for someone who has a tough time putting on muscle? Is it realistic to try to put on 20 pounds of muscle for someone like me? I hope you can help.

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In order for you to gain 20 lbs. of muscle you will have to gain a lot more then 20 lbs. of bodyweight. It is almost impossible to gain a pound of lean muscle for every pound of weight that you gain. I recommend that over the course of the next several months you should bulk up to at least 210 lbs. (I'll show you how to do this in a minute :-)

By bulking up to this weight you can then diet off the extra pounds of fat and have a bigger more muscular body. Everyone that you see who is big and muscular did it this way. There is no way to stay lean and gain a lot of strength and muscle mass quickly. That is why most bodybuilders bulk up and gain weight in the off season and then diet down for a contest. If they were to stay lean all year long they wouldn't be able to gain as much muscle mass.

In order to gain this extra muscle mass you'll have to take a 2 steps forward, 1 step backwards approach. This is how it works.

For 2 weeks you will have to stuff your self with lots of calories, protein, carbs, and fat. Don't worry about eating low fat. Just eat a ton of food at least 5000 calories a day and make sure you keep your protein intake at least 250 grams per day. Eat something every 2 hours during the day. You'll also need to increase your water intake to at least 1 gallon per day. Supplement your diet with a good creatine + carb supplement such as EAS Phosphagen HP or Cell Tech and a good whey protein powder such as 5 lb. can of Optimum Whey.

Keep your training hard and heavy. Train 4 or 5 days a week.

After about 2 weeks your body will start to reach a plateau. If you follow this program exactly you will have gained about 5 lbs. of bodyweight. Now you need to back off for a week and basically let your body re-prime itself.

For 5-7 days you will eat a minimum amount of food. Eat no more then 2000 calories per day (200 grams of carbs, 200 grams of protein, and very low fat). Stop taking creatine and eat stuff like very lean meat, chicken breast, fish, fruit, and veggies. Also cut back your weight training to every other day, and don't really push yourself in the gym. This is just a maintenance phase.

During this phase you will lose a few pounds of water because you won't be eating as much. Don't let this discourage you because after a week of low calorie eating you will go back to stuffing yourself for 2 weeks and training hard. Your body will then absorb the extra food like a sponge and drive your natural anabolic hormones crazy. It will be like you are on steroids. You will get awesome pumps in the gym and gain strength and size very rapidly. You should be able to gain at least 5 lbs. during this phase.

But after 2 weeks your anabolic hormones will go back to normal and your growth will slow down. So then you will go back to low calorie eating for a week to re-prime your body and the bulk up for 2 weeks, etc... You see this idea when bodybuilders carb deplete and carb load before a contest so their muscles fill out more then normal.

This technique works awesome for gaining muscle mass and strength. I used this technique personally to bulk up to 230 lbs. at 5'6.

After you have done this for at least 6 months you should have gained 30+ lbs. of bodyweight. Of course some of the weight will be bodyfat, but you can stick to the low calorie phase for a month or two and increase your cardio exercise to burn off the extra fat.
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Old 02-07-2006, 03:18 PM   #2
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I'm very curious what Hdogg and ohers have to say about this. I've heard that if you cut down carbs for a short time you will absorb them better after that, but cutting back 3000 sounds just plain INSANE to me. 7x3000=21000 ****ing calories, I would say you're gonna lose everything and more than you gained in those two weeks.
 
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I dunno if you will lose everything, but i dont think id reccomend such a drastic drop. It is very hard to put on much LBM and stay lean as they are conflicting goals, but i think i would span it out over a period of several weeks, rather than two drastic ones.
 
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ok so do you really think this would work well i mean i weighed myself tonight i come in at 142 im trying to bulk up too but 5000 calories then 2000? i mean its only a weak and stuff but isnt it very fast to just drop that amount of calories is two weeks long enough to keep any of that weight that you gained over ther two weeks with the one week of low calories? or does it sound way better to try and stay with 5000 calories for 3 or 4 weeks then take a week off? somthing like that? if someone could help with that id be happy cause i really dont know what i should be eating to gain 5000 calories anyways i have a hard enough time eating 2000 regularly and a weight gain shake with about 1000 more anyone help?
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Old 02-08-2006, 02:22 AM   #5
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Seems like too much of a drastic drop. Doing this will put your body in shock and possibly store bodyfat.
 
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Old 02-08-2006, 05:41 AM   #6
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I agree that it seems like too big a drop, my thinking was more to go from 6 - 7 meals a day to 3 maybe 4 and have a lot larger meals then so I won't be dropping quite so many calories (obviously there will be some loss), but because of the longer period between meals my body might cling onto what I take in on those fewer meals more so when I go back to eating regularly again I haven't lost too much (hopefully) and it will have been enough to slow my metabolism down enough that I put on more weight again. What do you think?
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like i was saying before i dont know if dropping that much is a good thing they say manipulating calories and everything like that is a good trick and stuff but thats a pretty big drop and especially if your gonna lift the next week youd have to lower your weights or not try as hard and then the next week your right were you were the week before you dieted so the second week is a little gain then you drop it all again with the drop in calories and easier lifting i really think 3 or 4 weeks of eating high like that would be good then a week off cause your body will lift more weights so fast youll be more tired at the gym after 3 or 4 weeks than normally with a regular based calorie intake so you would actually need that one week break rather than 2 weeks of eating and lifting heavy which isnt enough to fully wear out your body and make significant gains in either muscle or weights it takes your body at least 3-7 days to adapt to eating insane calories like that and then the next week youd be fine so two weeks of high calories isnt good cause your body would spend that every week of high calories getting used to it every time and it would be a waste

week 1:High calories body get used to it all week no real gains first week
week 2:body is roawring with energy ready to lift heavy ass weights
week 3:go back to low calories? thats only a week of real anabolic advantage and heavy lifting that doesnt make sense does it?


well those are just my opinions im not an expert or anything like that i just wanted to put my thoughts in there thanks for reading guys
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Thanks for the input. I know it does sound crazy, and maybe that time span isn't ideal. Maybe 4 or 5 weeks high calorie, 6 - 7 meeals a day, and then a week of 3 - 4 meals, but bigger meals so the calorie loss isn't too extreme, but it's gorging the body with excess at each meal but then having to wait longer between meals.
I need to do something, cos' my body has adapted to my higher eating plan already. I'm eating 6 - 7 times a day, don't think I could handle much more but I've reached a plateua again with my bulking - after only about 4 weeks!
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everyone has seen that plateau and so have i and experiencing it right now. im just holiding in at 173 and cant get any heavier than that and its pissing me off big time now!
 
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Exactly my point Imraan! Anyone got any suggestions? Anyone? Please!! :)
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Exactly my point Imraan! Anyone got any suggestions? Anyone? Please!! :)
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Exactly my point Imraan! Anyone got any suggestions? Anyone? Please!! :)
i dunno how i would go about it with this kind of a plan. i certainly dont think its a good idea to cut calories by over half the amount!
 
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personally the drop in calories is way too drastic for me and will encourage the body to store more fat as it will go into starvation mode. In my opinion i would cycle the high calorie diet for 5-6 weeks then have a lower calorie week of around 3000 but during this week have a break from the weights, therefore you will not burn so many calories and also not lose so much weight u have gained. What u guys think?
 
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I like the idea - but having a week off every 5 - 6 weeks seems a bit too much. I agree with the not dropping the calorie intake so much - was thinking more along the lines of gorging the calories in 3 - 4 big meals as opposed to the usual regular 6 - 7 smaller meals, thus shaking up the body's metabolism a bit.
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K first post in forever... I'm a reader not a contributor.... Only doing this because this thread intrigues me. Been wanting to bulk up and wasn't sure how. This thread answered the question but yes 2 weeks is not long enough.

This is just my opinion. 2 weeks is definately too short. I like the sound of 5-6 weeks, juicy. Instead of 2000 calories for the off week, why not 3500. That way its not that big of a drop from 5000. 3-4 big meals sounds better to me, Rocky, mainly because with my current work schedule it would be difficult to eat every two hours. Now I'm not sure about this plateau, never experienced one. Can I assume that the amount of "bulking weeks" it takes to get to the plateau varies depending on genetics and bone structure?








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great answer but a BIT TOO LATE, lol
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Eh ya I just noticed the dates... whoops xP




EDIT: I think this is a good topic to revive though
 
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If your goal is to gain weight and limit your fat consumption try the following.

Take in about 5,000 calories for 1 month straight. The 5th week you are going to add 2 low calorie days, this is where you are going to drop down to 3,500 calories a day, make sure that you get more of your calories from protein then from carbs (which btw should all be good carbs, ie whole grains and what not, with the exception of your post workout meal which should be fast digesting) Follow this plan for another month, it should get your body all confused and allow your hormones to change. Starting the third month you are going to basically repeat month 2 but one of your low calorie days is going to drop down to 2000-2500 calories ( I reccomend this to be a non workout day, so that your not too depleted if your working out on that day) During this month you are also going to do cardio for 20 minutes 3 days a week at a medium speed (walk don't run or jog) if you want play with your height on the treadmill or your resistance level on a bike or eliptical machine, make sure you are doing cardio at the end of your workout as it will allow you to burn stored bodyfat because your workout will use up anything left in your system. At the end of these 3 months you should definatley notice a difference in your weight and physique. Come month 4 you repeat the process. I do recommend you do abs 2-3 times a week during all of this as it will help target burn body fat and help prevent too much weight gain in the abdominal section, but stay away from weighted side lifts because it will give you wider hips because of muscle mass. However, just remember the most important meal of the day is your post workout meal, this meal is your PRIORITY!!!! For this I recommend a good fast digesting weight gainer immediately after your workout (take it either in the car or before you leave the locker room). If you workout at night like I do, take it right away and then eat dinner about 1 hour later. Follow this plan and you should be very happy, good luck and happy gaining.

EDIT: Also just noticed the date, damn I feel like a dumbass!!!!! But agreed, should revive it!
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If your goal is to gain weight and limit your fat consumption try the following.

Take in about 5,000 calories for 1 month straight. The 5th week you are going to add 2 low calorie days, this is where you are going to drop down to 3,500 calories a day, make sure that you get more of your calories from protein then from carbs (which btw should all be good carbs, ie whole grains and what not, with the exception of your post workout meal which should be fast digesting) Follow this plan for another month, it should get your body all confused and allow your hormones to change. Starting the third month you are going to basically repeat month 2 but one of your low calorie days is going to drop down to 2000-2500 calories ( I reccomend this to be a non workout day, so that your not too depleted if your working out on that day) During this month you are also going to do cardio for 20 minutes 3 days a week at a medium speed (walk don't run or jog) if you want play with your height on the treadmill or your resistance level on a bike or eliptical machine, make sure you are doing cardio at the end of your workout as it will allow you to burn stored bodyfat because your workout will use up anything left in your system. At the end of these 3 months you should definatley notice a difference in your weight and physique. Come month 4 you repeat the process. I do recommend you do abs 2-3 times a week during all of this as it will help target burn body fat and help prevent too much weight gain in the abdominal section, but stay away from weighted side lifts because it will give you wider hips because of muscle mass. However, just remember the most important meal of the day is your post workout meal, this meal is your PRIORITY!!!! For this I recommend a good fast digesting weight gainer immediately after your workout (take it either in the car or before you leave the locker room). If you workout at night like I do, take it right away and then eat dinner about 1 hour later. Follow this plan and you should be very happy, good luck and happy gaining.

EDIT: Also just noticed the date, damn I feel like a dumbass!!!!! But agreed, should revive it!
Hooray I'm not alone! We were by a stupid old topic!

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hahahahahaha!

Maybe I can write a sticky for it, with a little more detail? How would that sound
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hahahahahaha!

Maybe I can write a sticky for it, with a little more detail? How would that sound
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