[Ghosting]

Im not saying this stuff is bad but proper PCT is a must. This also technically belongs in the steroid section but since this is OTC, I thought it would get more attention here.

SD PCT should consist of a SERM like Nolva or Clomid. Preferably Nolva. Many people have complained of gyno after their cycle. Appereantly (Im guilty of pimping them myself) AIs or an ATD based PCT causes the estrogen receptors to upregulate. Not good. Also I see many people adding DHEA to their PCT. DHEA actually is a negative feedback for testosterone production. IOW DHEA is bad and will inhibit test production. Some test reduces to DHT. DHT and estrogen get locked in a death struggle for supremecy. Not a good thing when estrogen receptors are upregulated.

[BigBen]

Nice post Ghosting

[Ghosting]

Originally Posted by BigBen

Nice post Ghosting

Thanks. :) I know SD is popular, and just wanted to warn people that there is a potential for gyno going the AI route (and DHEA is bad to add to PCT), which is unfortunate because knowing that AIs like 6-OXO, Novedex XT, or any ATD based product, only leaves you will the SERM route. Many people dont know how to get research chems, so they have been using OTC PCT products. The OTC era has ended for me. Knowing that AIs upregulate estrogen receptors, frightens me.

[Ghosting]

Whoah, did I jump the gun. AIs post cycle need to be ramped down so estrogen upregulation comes down slowly. So IOW, AIs are not all bad for PCT, as long as they are ramped down. I still disagree with taking DHEA. There seems to be a ton of wrong theroies that can easily be explained. Instead it is turning into an, "I took DHEA and ATD post cycle, and I never got gyno, so this is all wrong." People are saying all sorts of crazy stuff, so I just backed out of the convo and let them start impressing each other.