[LukeOlympia]

I only just found out that Protein Shakes can be very beneficial for intense bodybuilding. I was just wondering...
- What is the best Protein Shake to buy?
- How much should I use?
- How often should I use it?
- What are the effects of using a Protein Shake?

Thanks... if you reply

P.S System Of A Down rule!

[Diesel]

ON's 100% Whey is a great brand. Remember, protein shakes are to supplement your diet. So, I would say at most 3 servings per day. Effects of protein shakes....death

[mindstar]

They are especially useful Post work out...

An easy recipe for post workout:

1-2 scoops ON Chocolate Whey
1 scoop malto destrose
1/2 cup skim milk
1 1/2 cups water
ice

blend it all together...mmm..mmm good.

In the mornings I have the same thing only oats instead of the dextrose and a little bit of natural peanutbutter...oh and all milk instead of the water.

[Flex]

Originally Posted by mindstar

An easy recipe for post workout:

1/2 cup skim milk

This is what I like to call "Muscle Suicide."

[mindstar]

Why muscle suicide? I'm always up for some learnin... :)

[Flex]

Originally Posted by mindstar

Why muscle suicide? I'm always up for some learnin... :)

Milk is probably the last thing you want to drink PWO.

It's protein is cassien which is by far the slowest digesting protein available. Stick to just plain ol h2o.

[billy d]

Originally Posted by Flex

Milk is probably the last thing you want to drink PWO.

It's protein is cassien which is by far the slowest digesting protein available. Stick to just plain ol h2o.

but will the milk slowdown the digestion of the whey?

[serbmarko]

Originally Posted by Flex

This is what I like to call "Muscle Suicide."

Ive never had any problems at all mixing my protein with skim milk.. if anything.. it add vitamins/minerals to your shake... maybe PW its not the best.. but other then that.. its the only way ill have my protein..

[serbmarko]

if you want the best protein.. I would suggest isolate over whey.. now a days you can find isolate for good prices.. ive always used this kind of protein.. heres a good article

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/pr...oncentrate.htm

this is a great protein powder BMF Hardcore ISO 2

[mindstar]

I tend to add a little of it PWO only for the consistency, otherwise the ice doesn't blend as well for me, though the point is taken about caesin slowing down digestion...however, is it going to be signifigant in that small an ammount of skim milk? I mean what is that like 4gm protein, not all of which come from caesin...

[Flex]

Why do you need milk to blend the ice?

Adding milk to your shakes during the day is fine (although I personally never do). But during PWO you're significantly hurting your gains almost no matter how small the amount you add is.

[serbmarko]

Originally Posted by Flex

Why do you need milk to blend the ice?

Adding milk to your shakes during the day is fine (although I personally never do). But during PWO you're significantly hurting your gains almost no matter how small the amount you add is.

not meaning to be an ass but ive never heard before and im totally open to learning new things.. is there a write up on this? or some article that backs up your statements? thanks

[Robby]

Hey Serb,

Post workout milk with your protein and carbs slows down the digestion terrible
You want to feed the muscles as quick as possible at this critical time!Milk any
other time of the day is great!I myself can't stand to mix my shakes with water
it really ****n blows but pwo its only with water. :)

[Q80_MuscleHed]

u need some fast digestion carbs and protain after ur intense workout .. so whey with simple carbs is ur way to go

[billy d]

Originally Posted by q80_muscleHed

u need some fast digestion carbs and protain after ur intense workout .. so whey with simple carbs is ur way to go

i've been downing those Isopure protein drinks at my gym, cause i haven't had time to get to the store to re-stock my protein supply, they're ok..40g whey isolate, no carbs, i make up for that with some juice at home..cranberry or orange..is this an ok miz for the time being..well until tonight when i go re-stock ..lol

actually sometimes i mix my protein powder with orange juice, feelings--opinions?

[imraan47]

wow not this again.

[Q80_MuscleHed]

Originally Posted by billy d

i've been downing those Isopure protein drinks at my gym, cause i haven't had time to get to the store to re-stock my protein supply, they're ok..40g whey isolate, no carbs, i make up for that with some juice at home..cranberry or orange..is this an ok miz for the time being..well until tonight when i go re-stock ..lol

actually sometimes i mix my protein powder with orange juice, feelings--opinions?

Well bro .. Fruits juices is fine somewhat .. but in fact fructose suger ( which find in fruits ) digestion slower than dextrose ( glucose ) and it replanish the glycogen of liver .. so it's better to add dextrose . i'm using plain glucose suger with my whey protain for PWO shake ..

[serbmarko]

Originally Posted by imraan47

wow not this again.

whats the problem lol

[CWUTrainer]

I agree with both Serb and Flex. I think that they are both right and have valid points...If you have time, mix your PWO with water and then later eat, However, if your stressed for time or have limited funds, mix that **** with milk and maybe even some OJ....thats what i do. I taste funny but is a powerhouse of energy...ALso, the milk slowing down digestion...yes...but you guys make it seem like it is going from a quick 15 min digestion time to about 3 hours...in reality its about 15 mins to about 35 mins...which won't hinder gains in an amount anyone would notice

[GenTlem4n]

I have used milk in pwo shakes since i've started taking one and i can't say that there are any bad effects. Of course ist is right to say that milk is hard to diggest. But that is why you use whey protein and in my case 100gramms of dextrose powder. The whey and the dexrose will be diggested very fast. The dextrose is usefull to refill your "empty" muscles with glykogen but it will also be usefull as a transport matrix for the whey protein. The Milk Casein will take its while to be diggested and due to this your muscles get protein for a long period of time. First the whey and later the casein out of the milk. Diggestion is not a thing from one second to another like "10...9...8..........1...diggested". It is more a progress. And things that are more easy to diggest will be diggested earlier than the ones which are harder to diggest.

[philosopher]

Originally Posted by q80_muscleHed

Well bro .. Fruits juices is fine somewhat .. but in fact fructose suger ( which find in fruits ) digestion slower than dextrose ( glucose ) and it replanish the glycogen of liver .. so it's better to add dextrose . i'm using plain glucose suger with my whey protain for PWO shake ..

i'm using half of my dextrose while i'm training and the other half i drink after my training along with whey protein....
that way you will recover faster, i posted a article about this a time ago..

does some of you guy's use vitargo instead of dextrose..?

[Q80_MuscleHed]

Originally Posted by philosopher

i'm using half of my dextrose while i'm training and the other half i drink after my training along with whey protein....
that way you will recover faster, i posted a article about this a time ago..

does some of you guy's use vitargo instead of dextrose..?

do u have this article bro ?

[jumk]

raw eggs are great in shakes as well.

[Flex]

Originally Posted by jumk

raw eggs are great in shakes as well.

Raw eggs?

That's not such a smart idea.

[Banshee20]

raw eggs=complete and total barf-o-rama + diahrrea forever.

Eli took a little trip on the Salmonella train when we were in college and the final destination was a trip to the ER. Three IV bags later he was rehydrated. He got it from raw eggs in cake batter.

I would use egg beaters, not raw eggs. Egg beaters are pasteurized.

[mindstar]

I've read that the protein in raw eggs in not bioavailable as it needs heat to make the protien digestable...pasturized eggwhites are ok raw though.

[jumk]

raw eggs are perfectly fine
the chances of getting sick are 1 in 30,000, if that is too much for you then dont do it.
the eggs digest MUCH easier and are not as filling- there is no deficency whene one eats raw eggs- the protein is processed the same.

[mindstar]

Amount and fate of egg protein escaping assimilation in the small intestine of humans.

Evenepoel P, Claus D, Geypens B, Hiele M, Geboes K, Rutgeerts P, Ghoos Y.

Department of Medicine, Division of Gastroenterology, Gastrointestinal Research Centre, University Hospital Leuven, B-3000 Louvain, Belgium.

Studies attempting to evaluate protein assimilation in humans have hitherto relied on either ileostomy subjects or intubation techniques. The availability of stable isotope-labeled protein allowed us to determine the amount and fate of dietary protein escaping digestion and absorption in the small intestine of healthy volunteers using noninvasive tracer techniques. Ten healthy volunteers were studied once after ingestion of a cooked test meal, consisting of 25 g of (13)C-, (15)N-, and (2)H-labeled egg protein, and once after ingestion of the same but raw meal. Amounts of 5.73% and 35.10% (P < 0.005) of cooked and raw test meal, respectively, escaped digestion and absorption in the small intestine. A significantly higher percentage of the malabsorbed raw egg protein was recovered in urine as fermentation metabolites. These results 1) confirm that substantial amounts of even easily digestible proteins may escape assimilation in healthy volunteers and 2) further support the hypothesis that the metabolic fate of protein in the colon is affected by the amount of protein made available.

[mindstar]

Digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein in humans as assessed by stable isotope techniques.

Evenepoel P, Geypens B, Luypaerts A, Hiele M, Ghoos Y, Rutgeerts P.

Department of Medicine, Division of Gastroenterology and Gastrointestinal Research Centre, University Hospital Leuven, B-3000 Leuven, Belgium.

Egg proteins contribute substantially to the daily nitrogen allowances in Western countries and are generally considered to be highly digestible. However, information is lacking on the true ileal digestibility of either raw or cooked egg protein. The recent availability of stable isotope-labeled egg protein allowed determination of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein by means of noninvasive tracer techniques. Five ileostomy patients were studied, once after ingestion of a test meal consisting of 25 g of cooked 13C- and 15N-labeled egg protein, and once after ingestion of the same test meal in raw form. Ileal effluents and breath samples were collected at regular intervals after consumption of the test meal and analyzed for 15N- and 13C-content, respectively. The true ileal digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein amounted to 90.9 +/- 0.8 and 51.3 +/- 9.8%, respectively. A significant negative correlation (r = -0.92, P < 0.001) was found between the 13C-recovery in breath and the recovery of exogenous N in the ileal effluents. In summary, using the 15N-dilution technique we demonstrated that the assimilation of cooked egg protein is efficient, albeit incomplete, and that the true ileal digestibility of egg protein is significantly enhanced by heat-pretreatment. A simple 13C-breath test technique furthermore proved to be a suitable alternative for the evaluation of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein.


raw eggs are useless, they need heat for protien availability. Pasturized egg whites meet this requirement.