[DEADn]

I bought some of this stuff the last week of 2005 and did not use it until New Year's Eve when I began my workouts again. Granted that as of this post I have been on it 3 days here is my experience after doing legs, back and shoulders.

NOXplode, I started out with 1 scoop for 2 days. I did'nt feel or sense anything in my system although it tasted alot better then other supps. Tonight I did 2 scoops to see what would happen I waited near 45 min before my workout. I sat on the couch during that time. I actually felt sleepy. I did my workout but I felt not fire within to just bust it out. It was more my own will.

With Cellmass it might be harder to tell. I don't feel bloated and it might be too early to tell if this stuff is working.

For the moment I am not too impressed with this stuff but it is still early. I got my stuff for $31 each. with $6 SH.

I do have some creatine mono by precision engineered. Great deal on it. 400g for like $8 with another can for free. I just hate loading it for a week and this is why I am trying the ester creatine stuff to see if it makes a difference. I even thought about the vitargo stuff just to see what happens.

What I stick with at the moment is ON whey protein, ester C and vita E along with Super B complex. After that I experiment with supps and if I find something that seems to work I go with it.

Anyway, this may be early with my experience with the BSN stuff but this is where I am. Now, I did feel sore after the first 2 days but it was more of a subtle soreness and for the moment I attribute that to the supplements.
Other than that I eat tuna, protein shakes and some chicken.

John

[Diesel]

you do not have to load any type of creatine......try the 'search' feature and you will see how we all feel about BSN & Muscle-Tech for that matter:)

[Flex]

Let me get this straight, you are judging the products after three days of use? No-xplode is a combination of creatine monohydrate and nitric oxide (from my understanding). Both of these products take weeks before you will notice results. Save your money and spend it on better brands than BSN.

You are right, that is a great price on creatine monohydrate. The only problem is Precision Engineered really isn't effective.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Flex

Let me get this straight, you are judging the products after three days of use? No-xplode is a combination of creatine monohydrate and nitric oxide (from my understanding). Both of these products take weeks before you will notice results. Save your money and spend it on better brands than BSN.

You are right, that is a great price on creatine monohydrate. The only problem is Precision Engineered really isn't effective.

NO-Explode also claims to help you focus and get physced up for workouts and im sure it does

[Flex]

Originally Posted by Diesel

NO-Explode also claims to help you focus and get physced up for workouts and im sure it does

I don't know No-xplode's exact ingredients, but I'm almost positive that's from the caffiene they add which can be dangerous in the long term.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Flex

I don't know No-xplode's exact ingredients, but I'm almost positive that's from the caffiene they add which can be dangerous in the long term.

Calories: 36
-Calories From Fat: 0
Total Fat: 0g
-Saturated Fat: 0g
Cholesterol: 0mg
Sodium: 150mg
Potassium: 75mg
Total Carbohydrates: 9g
-Sugars: 0g
Protein: 0g
Vitamin B6: 25mg
-(Pyridoxine HCL)
Vitamin B12: 120mcg
-(Cyanocobalamine)
Folic Acid: 400mcg
Magnesium: 360mg
Phosphorus: 500mg
Calcium: 75mg

NO-Xplode Proprietary Blend: 20,500mg
(NO-Xplode Contains a patent pending nutrient suspension matrix & Efforsorb Delivery System)

NO Meta-Fusion (patent pending)
(L-arginine AKG, Citral-M (citrulline malate), L-citrulline AKG, L-histidine AKG, RC-NOS (rutacarpine 95%), gynostemma pentaphyllum (95% gypenosides), NAD (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide)

Muscle Volumizing Creatine Matrix (patent pending)
2CM (dicreatine malate), Betapure (trimethylglycine), Glycovol (glycocyamine), GuaniPro (guanidino proplonic acid), Cinnulin PF (aqueous cinnamon extract), keto-isocaproate potassium

Ener-Tropic Xplosion (patent pending)
L-tyrosine, taurine, Endurlac (glucuronolactone), l-tyrosine AKG, methylxanthines (caffeine), MCT's (medium chain triglycerides), vinpocetine 99%, vincamine 99%, vinburnine 99%

Phospho-Electrolyte Replacer
Calcium phosphate, magnesium oxide, potassium phosphate, sodium phosphate

Glycerol Hydrating Polymers
Potassium glycerophosphate, magnesium glycerophosphate, glycerola stearate

Other Ingredients: Maltodextrine, citric acid, sodium bicarbonate, lemon juice powder, malic acid, potassium citrate, natural and artificial flavors, aspartame, acesulfame potassium, FD&C Red 40, FD&C Blue 1.



found this and never heard of most of it...

[DEADn]

The only reason I am making this post early about this subject is because I have read a number of cases where those who have taken, especially the NO xplode said they feel it almost immediately upon ingesting it.

For my own experience, and yes it is only a few days, I dont feel anything. I just get a good tasting berry flavor out of it. It amazes me that there is no sugar in this stuff. I will continue to push this out until it my jars are done and see what happens.

I took NOxplode about an hour ago. I am sitting on the couch typing this (Ihave msntv) and it is ironic. I really feel like taking a cat nap but I am not.

Oh, and about the precision engineered stuff, Yeah, after I got it I wonder about it because of the price and the fact that it isnt too widely known.

John

[billy d]

i try not to sit on the couch before i goto the gym, or sit around anywhere..i start trying preparing for my workout like an hour before..just keep myself busy, thinking about the workout a head of me, what i want to do, how i want to do it..what i want to eat afterwords..and just generally keep myself busy around the house...i need to really psych myself up before the gym to get my focus right and have a good workout..otherwise it just ends upo fugazi..thats just me tho..


i clearly get the point that no one here likes muscletech or bsn..or probably any major brand for that matter. I don't blame you either, their advertising is rediculous..and the magazines that have their ads are ridiculous..but what exactly is so bad about their actual products? I'm just looking for the best product i can get, so any help from u guys is welcome..and i'm willing to try anything lol.

Is it u guys just take the supplements in their most basic form, without all the extra **** these guys throw in there? I just want to know what is so bad about this stuff and what is so good about what you guys use?

Thanks fellas..

*****i do already take the vitamins(not about to list them all), BCAA's, ya know all the essentials...but I'm only so curious about this crap cause i'm quitting the roid game for awhile and am interested in the claims of these products..

[Flex]

Originally Posted by DEADn

It amazes me that there is no sugar in this stuff.

Because it includes aspartame.

Possible side effects include:

Eye
blindness in one or both eyes
decreased vision and/or other eye problems such as: blurring, bright flashes, squiggly lines, tunnel vision, decreased night vision
pain in one or both eyes
decreased tears
trouble with contact lenses
bulging eyes

Ear
tinnitus - ringing or buzzing sound
severe intolerance of noise
marked hearing impairment

Neurologic
epileptic seizures
headaches, migraines and some severe
dizziness, unsteadiness, both
confusion, memory loss, both
severe drowsiness and sleepiness
paresthesia or numbness of the limbs
severe slurring of speech
severe hyperactivity and restless legs
atypical facial pain
severe tremors

Psychological/Psychiatric
severe depression
irritability
aggression
anxiety
personality changes
insomnia
phobias

Chest
palpitations, tachycardia
shortness of breath
recent high blood pressure

Gastrointestinal
nausea
diarrhea, sometimes with blood in stools
abdominal pain
pain when swallowing

Skin and Allergies
itching without a rash
lip and mouth reactions
hives
aggravated respiratory allergies such as asthma

Endocrine and Metabolic
loss of control of diabetes
menstrual changes
marked thinning or loss of hair
marked weight loss
gradual weight gain
aggravated low blood sugar (hypoglycemia)
severe PMS

Other
frequency of voiding and burning during urination
excessive thirst, fluid retention, leg swelling, and bloating
increased susceptibility to infection

Additional Symptoms of Aspartame Toxicity include the most critical symptoms of all
death
irreversible brain damage
birth defects, including mental retardation
peptic ulcers
aspartame addiction and increased craving for sweets
hyperactivity in children
severe depression
aggressive behavior
suicidal tendencies

Aspartame may trigger, mimic, or cause the following illnesses:
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Epstein-Barr
Post-Polio Syndrome
Lyme Disease
Grave’s Disease
Meniere’s Disease
Alzheimer’s Disease
ALS
Epilepsy
Multiple Sclerosis (MS)
EMS
Hypothyroidism
Mercury sensitivity from Amalgam fillings
Fibromyalgia
Lupus
non-Hodgkins
Lymphoma
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD)

[billy d]

****, that about sums it up huh? lol thanks

[Flex]

Originally Posted by billy d

but what exactly is so bad about their actual products?

Some of their products arn't even really bad. For example, Cell-Tech is a solid product to take PWO. But what is the point of paying 60+ dollars on a 7 lb jug when you can make it yourself for less than half the price.

Most of their stuff (especially the newer products) are garbage and have no scientific studies on em. Now if you enjoy being a gineau pig and hate money, knock yourself out.

[billy d]

Originally Posted by Flex

Most of their stuff (especially the newer products) are garbage and have no scientific studies on em. Now if you enjoy being a gineau pig and hate money, knock yourself out.

lmao..thanks for advice bro..i definately don't hate money, but i can't say that hate being a gineau pig..

[Flex]

Originally Posted by billy d

lmao..thanks for advice bro..i definately don't hate money, but i can't say that hate being a gineau pig..

Just remember, a new product being released making an impact to bodybuilding like creatine did is highly unlikely.

[billy d]

Originally Posted by Flex

Just remember, a new product being released making an impact to bodybuilding like creatine did is highly unlikely.

thats so true, when NO2's first came out i bought a bottle and honesly felt and noticed nothing, sure i knew people who said it worked for them...but i would have been better of spending that 80 bucks on dbols at the time..

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by billy d

thats so true, when NO2's first came out i bought a bottle and honesly felt and noticed nothing, sure i knew people who said it worked for them...but i would have been better of spending that 80 bucks on dbols at the time..

Nitric Oxide isn't exactly the most healthy supplement to take either. You can actually go into shock b/c of this supplement...

[Robby]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Nitric Oxide isn't exactly the most healthy supplement to take either. You can actually go into shock b/c of this supplement...

Thanks for the heads up Diesel!

[imraan47]

wow i didnt think how bad Aspartame is!! thanks for all that info Flex!

[kys]

Originally Posted by Flex

Because it includes aspartame.

(ADD)

Actually, the BSN stuff contains sucralose. I am not about to pass judgement on which is worse, however they are different compounds.

[Flex]

Originally Posted by kys

Actually, the BSN stuff contains sucralose. I am not about to pass judgement on which is worse, however they are different compounds.

Originally Posted by Diesel

Other Ingredients: Maltodextrine, citric acid, sodium bicarbonate, lemon juice powder, malic acid, potassium citrate, natural and artificial flavors, aspartame, acesulfame potassium, FD&C Red 40, FD&C Blue 1.

[kys]

huh, must be a flavour thing, cause the grape one definitely has sucralose where that list says aspartame :P either way, both have equally dramatic horror stories associated with use.

[DEADn]

Well, I have been on Cellmass and NOxplode for nearly 2 weeks. I dont take it on off days though. NOxplode seems to be kicking in a bit.. I am beginning to feel a surge within and more focus. Not sure about the Cellmass though just yet. Since New Years even I have been looking at my weight and I was 206lbs. Right now I hover around 209 to 210lbs.

I emailed Ronnie Coleman to ask how he knows BSN stuff works. He replied saying the obvious from the ads but for me the keyword was 'in time' whereas I had read a number of comments from people that even in the first drink you would feel it. This is why I made this post.

Whether I will continue with this stuff when it is gone, time will tell. I will decide that when I run out. In the meantime I tried to email BSN about some of the ingredients that they have in the NOxplode but the email bounced back at me. Figure that.

John

[Diesel]

dude, im not dogging Ronnie but Ronnie will say nothing but good for BSN supplements. You really can't listen to pro's as to what they take or what they think works. That goes for all pro's, not just Coleman...

and I listed the ingredients of NO-Explode earlier in this thread

[DEADn]

Diesel
I would agree with your comments. I have read alot of what Ronnie says during the past few years to see how consistent he is with things and also when he lets others do his sayings. Bottom line is he is getting money to promote and also what works for him doesnt necessarily work for me. This is a reason why I am judging this BSN stuff right now even though it is early for me and I also wanted to see what he would say about it. Just for my own interest.

Whether or not I use BSN again will depend upon what happens with it during the next month. One thing is for sure, it is protein and vitamins that I definately stick with. With and the weightlifting I have done and the vitamins, especially since I switched to ester C 500 mg I have not been sick at all in the last 2 years or so. Yet you still cant sell that to people who are sick. Ironic.

John

[DEADn]

I was able to email BSN tonight and I also got a response back from them. They agent told me that they will be putting splenda in the NOxplode and it should be out soon. That would be interesting!!.


John

[Gumby51cm]

i am on NO-explode right now, just started today actually. and i already like it. Flex, you have to give some of this stuff a chance man, im not saying BSN, im just saying suppliments in general.

[DEADn]

I have been using Cellmass and NOxplode for a month now. I can tell a difference in it now. Cellmass definately is giving me more mass. I see it in my thighs some in my chest and also in my delts. Noxplode.....I can definately now feel the difference between using it and not using it. It gives me that extra push to do a bit more. One example is I was working my chest out. I started with incline bench. My best was 200lbs for 3 reps. I was able to get 5 out of it. My decline bench went up as well. I turned to db flat press and I was surprised that I was able to pick up 55ibs each db and knock out 7 reps on my 4 set. Ususally at that weight I would be using hooks. The day after my pecs were really sore.

The bad thing about it is I really need to do a cutting phase and really trim my stomach area down. It is getting in the way of my chest. It bulges out too much. THis means I gotta cut out cellmass for a while. THat stinks!!!

John

[theroymccoy]

Yeah, I have the new NO XPLODE. It is the Blue Raspberry flavor, and it is ASPARTAME FREE. I looked at the ingredients and yes, it does indeed include sucralose; the generic name is SPLENDA.

As for my experience with it, I actually just started yesterday with my very first serving. I took one scoop an hour before my leg workout, then another 30 minutes later just to see my "sensitivity" to it.

I gotta admit, this stuff works. I was able to pump out 2-4 reps on EVERY EXERCISE I DID. I was totally focused before and during the workout. Sure, it may just be the placebo effect, but who cares? Essentially, it still made me workout harder/longer.

If I felt it on the very first time using it, then imagine my subsequent workouts. My legs were full and hard. It tastes great. I was TIRED AS **** right after though, but I guess it was just from the grueling workout.

[Evolution 2006]

Originally Posted by Flex

Because it includes aspartame.

Possible side effects include:

Eye
blindness in one or both eyes
decreased vision and/or other eye problems such as: blurring, bright flashes, squiggly lines, tunnel vision, decreased night vision
pain in one or both eyes
decreased tears
trouble with contact lenses
bulging eyes

Ear
tinnitus - ringing or buzzing sound
severe intolerance of noise
marked hearing impairment

Neurologic
epileptic seizures
headaches, migraines and some severe
dizziness, unsteadiness, both
confusion, memory loss, both
severe drowsiness and sleepiness
paresthesia or numbness of the limbs
severe slurring of speech
severe hyperactivity and restless legs
atypical facial pain
severe tremors

Psychological/Psychiatric
severe depression
irritability
aggression
anxiety
personality changes
insomnia
phobias

Chest
palpitations, tachycardia
shortness of breath
recent high blood pressure

Gastrointestinal
nausea
diarrhea, sometimes with blood in stools
abdominal pain
pain when swallowing

Skin and Allergies
itching without a rash
lip and mouth reactions
hives
aggravated respiratory allergies such as asthma

Endocrine and Metabolic
loss of control of diabetes
menstrual changes
marked thinning or loss of hair
marked weight loss
gradual weight gain
aggravated low blood sugar (hypoglycemia)
severe PMS

Other
frequency of voiding and burning during urination
excessive thirst, fluid retention, leg swelling, and bloating
increased susceptibility to infection

Additional Symptoms of Aspartame Toxicity include the most critical symptoms of all
death
irreversible brain damage
birth defects, including mental retardation
peptic ulcers
aspartame addiction and increased craving for sweets
hyperactivity in children
severe depression
aggressive behavior
suicidal tendencies

Aspartame may trigger, mimic, or cause the following illnesses:
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Epstein-Barr
Post-Polio Syndrome
Lyme Disease
Grave’s Disease
Meniere’s Disease
Alzheimer’s Disease
ALS
Epilepsy
Multiple Sclerosis (MS)
EMS
Hypothyroidism
Mercury sensitivity from Amalgam fillings
Fibromyalgia
Lupus
non-Hodgkins
Lymphoma
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD)

WOW IT CAUSES EVERYTHING

[jalmy8]

In regard to the comment about aspartame...its an ingredient in almost 6,000 products such as equal, nutrasweet, chewable vitamin tablets, etc...those side-effects or rare occurrences