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Old 04-13-2005, 11:59 PM   #1
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what is the benefit to say eating egg whites or a chicken breast instead of having a protein shake. protein shakes are much quicker, have more protein?
 
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:20 AM   #2
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I know you probably won't want to read it, but here is a great article explaining everything protein: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/planet4.htm

basically there are different types of protein which can benefit you better at certain times. Here is part of that article which may interest you:

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Protein Timing

It makes sense to categorize protein sources into two groups; the slow proteins and the fast proteins. Slow proteins would be whole food sources like cottage cheese, egg, beef, fish, chicken as well as supplemental protein powders containing milk and casein (isolates or concentrates).

Fast proteins would be proteins like whey isolate or concentrate as well as most protein hydrolysates (including casein, whey, etc).

1) First Thing In The Morning. When waking up in the morning, your body has just been through a fast (6-9 hours for most people). During this overnight fast, the body has been using up its stored energy by slowly sending nutrients out from the liver, fat cells, and muscle cells. The body does this in order to keep blood sugar constant and to fuel the brain and other tissues during sleep. Unfortunately, this constitutes a small degree of body cell destruction. At this time, the best thing you can do for your body is to consume a relatively quick digesting protein source. One nice way to accomplish this would be to drink a small whey protein or hydrolysate shake immediately upon waking. Then, a little while later, consume your normal breakfast meal.

2) Immediately After Training. Basically, after training the body is primed for nutrient uptake, especially the muscles. So this is a great time to consume a quick digesting fast protein. Since whey protein hydrolysates are the fastest to be digested and absorbed, these are pretty much the choice of protein for post workout recovery nutrition. But carbs, glutamine and BCAAs are also extremely important.

3) During The Day. Since, throughout the day, your goal should be to eat small, dense meals every few hours; the need for "special" proteins is limited. Since studies have shown that an omnivorous diet is ideal for promoting positive training adaptations, lean meat sources of protein are ideal during the day. While I encourage lean meat sources of protein for most of your day, if you get in a bind, a good whey/casein/milk protein isolate/concentrate blend can be a good compromise due to the combination of fast proteins and slow proteins.

4) Immediately Before Bed. Before you lie down and enter dreamland, you should consider taking in a final meal in anticipation of the 6-8 hour fast ahead. You want to prevent the body from using all of its stored energy during the night. This would be a great time for a slow protein since the slow proteins release their nutrients over several hours. In fact, the studies we discussed above showed that even after 7 hours, the subjects were still in a positive protein balance and still had a slow delivery of nutrients [Boirie et al. 1997, Dangin et al. 2001]. So, before bed a milk protein, isolate/concentrate blend with whey and casein naturally in it, would be good.
 
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:23 AM   #3
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macro/micro nutrients you miss out when u take supps over food, your missing out on certain aspects of nutrion if ur diet was purely supplements
 
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:27 AM   #4
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solid food is better.....use protein powder first thing in the morning and before training and espacilly immediatly after training with simple carbs........there also protein powders that have something called casein which digest slower so its ideal for night before bedtime........
 
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Old 04-14-2005, 03:13 AM   #5
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yea that stuff makes sense, i always take a pm protein, thanks
 
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Old 04-14-2005, 07:14 AM   #6
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Alot of pros hardly use protein shakes and rely heavily on whole-food protein sources for the reasons listed above.
I try and eat as well as i can, and have one shake pre-gym and another post-gym session (post gym combined with whole-food meal ie chicken breast&brocolli) and it seems to work ok for me.

A pre-bed shake is a great idea for keeping your body flooded with the Aminos etc during your fast while you sleep, but its not something i am in the habit of doing right now.
 
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