Protein/Carb Balance

Diesel · 10-05-2005, 10:36 PM

Right now, on days I work out I get about 400-450g of protein and 350-400g of carbs. Is this enough carbs for the amount of protein im getting in? I've read about keeping a balance between the two but it never gave a ratio to go by. Any help is much appreciated.

LoudHoward · 10-06-2005, 12:38 AM

Well, I follow a far less extreme diet. I get a ratio of 50% carbs, 30% protein and 20% fat for my daily calorie count. I have found that this works best for me. I end up eating about 200g of protein a day.

Amped · 10-06-2005, 12:20 PM

Well, are you bulking or cutting?

Uriel · 10-06-2005, 01:37 PM

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Right now, on days I work out I get about 400-450g of protein and 350-400g of carbs. Is this enough carbs for the amount of protein im getting in? I've read about keeping a balance between the two but it never gave a ratio to go by. Any help is much appreciated.

Why do you need 450g of protein

Diesel · 10-06-2005, 01:56 PM

im bulking right now. i weight 275...so 1.5-2g of protein is atleast 400g of protein

Uriel · 10-06-2005, 05:06 PM

Dude...most pros don't have that much protein...think about it...

Diesel · 10-06-2005, 08:06 PM

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Dude...most pros don't have that much protein...think about it...

ok since everything i read says 1.5-2g of protein per pound of body mass. and i read an article where jonnie jackson gets in 600g of protein. so what do you suggest. im not saying your wrong but if you could just let me know what i shoudl be going by it would be great. i read the e-book in the steroid section and it says it there too. to atleast get in 1.5-2g of protein per body pound to gain muscle. it was in there that he talked about the carb/protein balance, but he never gave a ratio to go by.

Uriel · 10-07-2005, 01:10 PM

If you're juicing, yes, you should take in more protein, because the juice will let your body use it. If you're not juicing, 1x protein is more than enough. For the vast majority of trainees, 1.2-ish is ideal, 1,5 is maxium, more than that and your body won't be using it for plastic purposes, it'll use it for energetic purposes (you'd be better off using carbs for this).

Uriel · 10-07-2005, 01:12 PM

And when one sais 1,5x bodyweight, unlike popular belief, one should actualy mean LEAN bodyweight. Fat doesn't need protein to be maintained/built

Diesel · 10-07-2005, 02:19 PM

where did you hear this info. i mean it makes sense but im just curious.

why is it that no one else is responding to my question?

Diesel · 10-07-2005, 02:40 PM

so do you think like 300g of protein and the same amount of carbs im getting now would be good?

Uriel · 10-07-2005, 03:00 PM

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where did you hear this info. i mean it makes sense but im just curious.

Here and there

Common sense realy, no point in taking in insane amounts of nutrients when your body can't process that much.

And I'm not sure about the protein/carb ratio...IMHO you should eat your carbs just a bit above maintenance, enough to keep you anabolic but not as much as to put on fat.

Diesel · 10-07-2005, 03:02 PM

yea, ive heard that too. but i guess i listened to the magazines too much about gettin as much protein in as you can. I'll have to give this a shot and see what happens. thanks for everything uriel

Uriel · 10-07-2005, 03:34 PM

People usualy say "take in as much as you can" because most people can't get more than 300 no matter how much they stuff themselves.

But hell, I know lots of people who still make gains with normal diets (100 ish grams of protein a day)... I'm not saying that what they're doing is right, they could probably gain muscle faster if they ate more, but it just goes to show that you don't need insane amounts of the stuff.

Diesel · 10-07-2005, 07:47 PM

thanks again, i changed my diet already and ill see how it goes

Spyder17 · 10-08-2005, 11:46 AM

Diesel, i think 300/400/75 is a pretty good ratio. You could even cut the fat. Depends on your metabolism. I'd imagine at 275 you must be pretty tall, like me. How tall are you?

Ghosting · 10-08-2005, 12:55 PM

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Common sense realy

How is it common sense?

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1 gram of protein per pound of body weight

#1

"1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight, have overcome plateaus in muscle mass gains and strength by increasing their protein intake to 2 grams per pound of bodyweight"

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/planet38.htm

Uriel · 10-08-2005, 01:50 PM

Someone who quotes off bb.com isn't worth replying to 99% of the times IMHO.

Ghosting · 10-08-2005, 02:11 PM

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Someone who quotes off bb.com isn't worth replying to 99% of the times IMHO.

I guess you know more than Planet Muscle, where the article came from. What do you think builds muscle? Why do you think 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight is sufficient? Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Or did I just lay the smackdown with my lame BB.com link? Internet egos.

At least I backed up my info.

BTW, nice comeback.

Uriel · 10-08-2005, 02:23 PM

Well, sorry then, it's just that I didn't even bother to click, I stopped reading when I saw "www.bodybuiding.com"...

Do you have any studies proving that you need more than 1.5x (other than just someone saying it, that is)? Sure, more protein means more protein synthesis, but our bodies don't just keep processing forever, they have a limit. Or do you suppose if I throw down 10lbs of meat a day I'll grow huge? No, I'll just grow fat. My body couldn't possible synthesise all that.

Uriel · 10-08-2005, 02:25 PM

And as far as my "studies", a lot of experienced lifters don't get a lot more than 300g a day. Many will tell you that they have taken in 500g before, and it didn't do any difference whatsoever, it's simply overkill.

Ghosting · 10-08-2005, 02:53 PM

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And as far as my "studies", a lot of experienced lifters don't get a lot more than 300g a day. Many will tell you that they have taken in 500g before, and it didn't do any difference whatsoever, it's simply overkill.

Oh, its bro-studies. Cool. Thanks for the bro-science reply.

Uriel · 10-08-2005, 02:59 PM

Like I said, show me references of "studies" that tell you you need 1.5x + and I'll go looking for studies that prove otherwise. Until you do I'm not bothering.

Diesel · 10-08-2005, 03:00 PM

im gona try this either way. makes sense to me b/c i started gettin in over 400g of protein since the beginning of summer and next thing i know i have a gut. the article in bb.com may be right if ur on steroids. i didnt read the article but im just guessing.

Ghosting · 10-08-2005, 03:03 PM

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Like I said, show me references of "studies" that tell you you need 1.5x + and I'll go looking for studies that prove otherwise. Until you do I'm not bothering.

Ok. 1 gram of protein it is. I dont care enough to search for science articles to prove different. You win.

Ghosting · 10-08-2005, 03:08 PM

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i didnt read the article but im just guessing.

Excellent conclusion. It must have been the increased protein. Only steroids require addtional protein.

Thanks for the contribution.

Ghosting · 10-08-2005, 03:10 PM

I'll remember I cant beat psdeudo-science.

Diesel · 10-08-2005, 03:14 PM

wow ur mature...yea steroids actually allow ur body to absorb more protein. and from what i know most ppl that BB experiment..which is what im doing. a guy at my gym told me that when he used to powerlift he ate 200g of protein. he weighed 180ibs and squated 660ibs and benched 375ibs. so yea im gona try this. anyway, if im correct u started taking AAS at a young age and im supposed to listen to you???

Ghosting · 10-08-2005, 03:30 PM

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wow ur mature

Thanks.

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...yea steroids actually allow ur body to absorb more protein.

Steroids increase nitrogen retention and protein synthesis. They dont ALLOW your body to ABSORB more protein. Thanks for enlightening me.

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and from what i know most ppl that BB experiment..which is what im doing

Experimenting would be benefical if the info wasnt being spoon fed to you.

Do I get another reply from one of the masters of bro-science and wacky conclusions? I always get arguing replies, people dont like to be told they are wrong over the net. Accept it and move on.

Diesel · 10-08-2005, 03:32 PM

im not saying im right and ur wrong. i just dont see why it'll hurt to try this.