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    Best Legal ProHormone Stacks



    Dear BBD,


    Im going to present some different cycles we offer and honest advice about the side effects. (and how to beat them)


    You will learn -
    • How to build a great cycle with legal pro-steroids
    • How to use them for the best results
    • How to avoid side-effects
    • How to keep the most gains possible after a cycle


    So, lets get right to it -
    Lean Muscle & Strength Builder
    Turinabol Muscle Stack


    The Turinabol Muscle Stack is considered to be a safer overall cycle compared to the “Extreme Mass & Strength Builder” stack listed below. It is a very solid beginners cycle, but powerful enough to produce great results for a more advanced user.


    Turinabol (Halodrol) - This is a very popular pro-steroid, and for good reason. Turinabol produces very well rounded results with minimal side-effects similar to the anabolic steroids Anavar or Winstrol. Users generally see solid increases in strength, lean muscle and vascularity within 3-4 weeks. For this reason Turinabol works well for either lean mass or cutting cycles. Unlike most new designer pro-steroids, this compound does not pose a gyno risk, nor does it convert to estrogen. Most results from this compound start to appear after 3 weeks, so a 6 week cycle is recommended for the best results. Since Turinabol builds lean muscle mass with minimal bloat or water retention, gains are easier to keep after the cycle.


    To learn more about Turinabol - Visit the official Turinabol (Halodrol) Steroid Profile.


    If accompanied with a high protein diet over a 6 week cycle, typical results from Turinabol include -
    • 10-15lbs of lean mass
    • 2-3% reduction in body fat
    • Increased strength
    • Improved muscle hardness and definition


    Side-effects from Turinabol can include -
    • Liver toxicity
    • Increased cholesterol (LDL)


    Checkout the "Beating the Side Effects" below to learn how you can help avoid these side-effects.


    For improved results, Turinabol can be stacked with Dermacrine (must be purchased separately).


    Dermacrine (Bioavailable DHEA) – Dermacrine Liqua-Vade delivers DHEA in liquid form, making it highly bio-available and more effective than regular DHEA pills. (1) Dermacrine is typically referred to as “the closes legal thing to injectable testosterone” because users report that Dermacrine seems to provide similar effects to a low dose of injectable testosterone (150mg/week). Therefore Dermacrine provides a legal “testosterone base” to the cycle and brings upon very similar effects.


    Although DHEA has limited conversion to actual testosterone, it will readily convert to the hormone androstenedione -- A very similar hormone to testosterone, with potent anabolic and androgenic effects. (1,2,9) Although androstenedione can convert to estrogen, it has been shown to significantly increase lean muscle mass and strength in men, while slightly reducing body fat (almost identical effects of actual testosterone). (2) DHEA also converts to 7-oxo DHEA, which is the body’s natural fat burning hormone. Human studies have shown 7-oxo DHEA can reduce body fat by several pounds after only 6 weeks. (4-8)


    When stacked with Turinabol, Dermacrine can –
    • Accelerate fat loss
    • Support libido and erection strength
    • Prevent lethargy and fatigue
    • Support the immune system


    The Turinabol Muscle Stack provides 6 weeks worth of Turinabol, full liver protection and post cycle therapy (PCT).



    Just follow the guidelines below -







    Notes -

    Take the Turinabol doses 12 hours apart, everyday. Take with or without food.
    If using Dermacrine, takes doses with Turinabol.
    Take the Sustain Alpha doses 12 hours apart. Take with or without food.
    Take Toco-8 anytime during the day with or without food.
    Take 1 scoop of EndoAmp Max 1 hour before exercise or in the morning on non-workout days. Take with food.






    Extreme Mass & Strength Builder
    Superdrone Muscle Stack


    The Superdrone Muscle Stack is for advanced and experienced users only. The Superdrone Muscle Stack will produce more extreme results than the Turinabol Muscle Stack, but also with more noticeable side-effects.


    Superdrone (original Superdrol clone) - This is a very popular legal steroid simply for the fact that it produces noticeable gains very quickly. It is an orally active anabolic steroid that has a higher anabolic potency than either Dianabol or Anavar. Superdrone produces very rapid increases in weight, sheer mass and strength. For this reason, Superdrone is commonly used for bulking cycles. Noticeable gains from this compound start to appear within the 1st week, therefore cycle length is generally limited to 4 weeks to minimize side-effects while still allowing for significant gains. Although Superdrone does not convert to estrogen, it tends to cause a rapid increase in intra-muscular water retention. Because much of the gains from Superdrone are from water retention, gains are not easily maintained after the cycle.


    To learn more about Superdrone - Visit the official Superdrone Steroid Profile.


    If accompanied with a high protein diet over a 6 week cycle, typical results from Superdrone include -
    • 15-20lbs weight gain
    • Strong muscular pumps
    • Increased strength
    • Increased muscle size and vascularity



    Side-effects from Superdrone may include -
    • Liver toxicity
    • Increased cholesterol (LDL)
    • Increased blood pressure
    • Back pumps
    • Aggression



    Checkout the "Beating the Side Effects" below to learn how you can help avoid these side-effects.


    For improved results, Superdrone can be stacked with Dermacrine (must be purchased separately).


    Dermacrine (Bioavailable DHEA) – Dermacrine Liqua-Vade delivers DHEA in liquid form, making it highly bio-available and more effective than regular DHEA pills. (1) Dermacrine is typically referred to as “the closes legal thing to injectable testosterone” because users report that Dermacrine seems to provide similar effects to a low dose of injectable testosterone (150mg/week). Therefore Dermacrine provides a legal “testosterone base” to the cycle and brings upon very similar effects.


    Although DHEA has limited conversion to actual testosterone, it will readily convert to the hormone androstenedione -- A very similar hormone to testosterone, with potent anabolic and androgenic effects. (1,2,9) Although androstenedione can convert to estrogen, it has been shown to significantly increase lean muscle mass and strength in men, while slightly reducing body fat (almost identical effects of actual testosterone). (2) DHEA also converts to 7-oxo DHEA, which is the body’s natural fat burning hormone. Human studies have shown 7-oxo DHEA can reduce body fat by several pounds after only 6 weeks. (4-8)


    When stacked with Superdrone, Dermacrine can –
    • Accelerate fat loss
    • Support libido and erection strength
    • Prevent lethargy and fatigue
    • Support the immune system



    The Superdrone Muscle Stack provides enough Superdrone for a 4 week cycle (plus enough for another 4 week cycle), full liver protection and post cycle therapy (PCT).



    Just follow the guidelines below -






    Notes -

    Take the Superdrone doses 12 hours apart, everyday. Take with or without food.
    Take the Sustain Alpha doses 12 hours apart. Take with or without food.
    Take Toco-8 anytime during the day with or without food.
    Take 1 scoop of EndoAmp Max 1 hour before exercise or in the morning on non-workout days. Take with food.



    Beating the Side Effects


    Methylated steroids such as Turinabol and Superdrone can stress the liver by creating a back up of bile acid in the liver and creating a condition known as cholestasis. Luckily, this condition is reversible and avoidable with the proper drugs or supplementation.


    To prevent the liver toxicity, both muscle stacks include two (2) bottles of Liver Juice.


    Liver Juice is the top choice for avoiding steroid induced liver toxicity. It absorbs 8x better than standard milk thistle extract (80% silymarin) and delivers a potent dose of 500mg of milk thistle extract. Liver Juice works by increasing bile acid production in the liver and enhancing clearance of the liver toxic steroid hormones from the liver. This helps prevents steroid induced cholestasis, which is the most common liver condition developed from prolonged oral steroid use.


    To learn more about Liver Juice, visit the Liver Juice information page.


    Protecting the liver with Liver Juice has numerous benefits for a cycle. Liver Juice will help -
    • Promote a healthy appetite
    • Prevent lethargy and fatigue induced from liver toxicity
    • Prevent nausea and sickness induced from liver toxicity



    Also, methylated steroids tend to cause a buildup of LDL cholesterol which can be dangerous for the heart and artery health.


    To help prevent LDL cholesterol levels from rising, we included the cholesterol lowering supplement Toco-8.


    Toco-8 is proven to reduce LDL cholesterol levels, while maintaining or raising HDL (the good cholesterol). Toco-8 has a unique ability to clean plaque from the artery walls and improve the flow of blood through the arteries. These benefits are very important for a steroid user who wants to help preserve his heart health and arterial blood flow, which is important for strong erections.


    In addition, Toco-8 plays an important role in testosterone production and PCT. It has also been shown to improve hair growth on the scalp. Although Turinabol and Superdrone are fairly mild on the hair line, this is a great benefit for those who have a sensitive hair line.


    To learn more about Toco-8, visit the Toco-8 information page.


    Hawthorn extract can help counter the increase in blood pressure and the subsequent headaches. Keeping blood pressure in control is very important while using Superdrone. I recommend 2mL taken twice daily of a liquid Hawthorn berry extract.


    To learn more about how Hawthorn can help reduce blood pressure, read this article on Hawthorn berry.


    Post Cycle Therapy
    Recover Testosterone and Keep the Gains



    Post cycle therapy (PCT) is an important part of getting your testosterone back up after the cycle and keeping your hard earned gains.
    For PCT we included the Testosterone Recovery Stack (TRS) with both stacks.


    This stack includes three synergistic products -


    Sustain Alpha - This product naturally increases testosterone production by stimulating the body to release LH & FSH, which stimulate testosterone production. Sustain Alpha is used after a cycle to quickly regain normal testosterone production. The main ingredients in Sustain Alpha – resveratrol and 7,8-benzoflavone– are natural anti-estrogens. However, both of these compounds have proven to be more like estrogen balancers as blood tests have revealed that Sustain Alpha can raise estrogen if it is too low or lower estrogen if it is too high – therefore offering the ideal solution for virtually any individual.


    Sustain Alpha has been used for years by thousands of bodybuilders to help kick testosterone production back into full gear.


    Toco-8 - This potent anti-oxidant increases testicular function and allows Sustain Alpha to work better. It works by increasing the testes sensitivity to LH & FSH thus allowing them to produce higher levels of testosterone.


    EndoAmp Max - This stuff ramps up growth hormone (GH) and testosterone production by providing important cellular nutrients. The main active ingredient is phosphatidylserine, which helps control cortisol levels while keeping testosterone production at its maximum. EndoAmp Max contains a scientifically proven 800mg dose of phosphatidylserine (PS). This is the exact same dose used in human clinical trials to suppress cortisol, raise testosterone and prevent muscle breakdown. EndoAmp Max also includes a potent dose of alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine to ramp up GH production by over 68%. EndoAmp Max will prevent muscle loss typically associated with PCT, while helping to assist in faster recovery of natural testosterone production.


    Make no mistake, the TRS is one of the most powerful testosterone simulating stacks on the market, but don't take my word for it. Jump on Google or any major bodybuilding forum and put in a search for the above products -- you will see they are the real deal, backed by thousands of positive reviews from actual users.


    Although the TRS is plenty powerful for PCT with the aforementioned cycles, some users choose to stack the TRS with a SERM such as Toremifene, Clomid or Nolvadex. If used at the proper dose, a SERM can enhance testosterone recovery and work synergistically with the TRS. If using a SERM, here is my recommended dose - (with the SERM's listed from most preferred to least preferred)

    Toremifene - 40mg/day

    Nolvadex - 10mg/day

    Clomid - 25mg/day

    Keep in mind, SERMs have side-effects at high doses. To read more about the side-effects of SERM's, read this article.



    If you don't make awesome gains with these stacks just call us at 1-503-841-6702. We will arrange for pick up of your products to be sent back for your full refund – That’s better than our standard refund policy.

    BTW, since these stacks are over $50, you will get FREE FedEx shipping (within the US).




    Thank you loyal Primordial fans!


    Yours in health & fitness,

    Eric Potratz
    Primordial Founder & President


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    Wow, great stuff. I saw this on the PP site. I got that liver aid from you guys and the superdrone from orbit. Great price btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmike View Post
    Wow, great stuff. I saw this on the PP site. I got that liver aid from you guys and the superdrone from orbit. Great price btw
    Thanks Mike. I haven't heard anything but positive results on these products. Have you started your cycle?
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    was just wondering if taking turinabol alone to purely get a bit of a strength increase tone up a bit and perhaps add a little lean weight what pct to be cone same clomid or nolva as normal or what? im just not ready to do a full blown cycle yet and a friend has got anavar by itself and made ok gains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leworhty73 View Post
    was just wondering if taking turinabol alone to purely get a bit of a strength increase tone up a bit and perhaps add a little lean weight what pct to be cone same clomid or nolva as normal or what? im just not ready to do a full blown cycle yet and a friend has got anavar by itself and made ok gains?
    Well with this stack the extra products you get are for liver support and pct, the only pH you'd be using is the Turinabol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leworhty73 View Post
    was just wondering if taking turinabol alone to purely get a bit of a strength increase tone up a bit and perhaps add a little lean weight what pct to be cone same clomid or nolva as normal or what? im just not ready to do a full blown cycle yet and a friend has got anavar by itself and made ok gains?
    turinabol alone would be a good cycle....good lean gains....good strength gains.
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    and if taken it alone would it be advisable to have nolva or clomid on hand incase or any aromatisation even though its unlikely on like a 6-8 week cylce of 30-40mg a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by leworhty73 View Post
    and if taken it alone would it be advisable to have nolva or clomid on hand incase or any aromatisation even though its unlikely on like a 6-8 week cylce of 30-40mg a day
    I wouldn't go more than six weeks. I would highly suggest liver support. If you're worried about gyno, add Vitex at 460mg a day. I'd avoid SERMs
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    Quote Originally Posted by leworhty73 View Post
    and if taken it alone would it be advisable to have nolva or clomid on hand incase or any aromatisation even though its unlikely on like a 6-8 week cylce of 30-40mg a day
    if worried about that on cycle, i would suggest LV Form....not a serm
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    Here you go guys... 72 hr sale...

    The Superdrone stack is $156.95 (with $20 off ^ )

    The Turinabol stack is $177.95 (with $20 off ^ )

    PLUS you automatically get FREE shipping with both of these stacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker View Post


    Here you go guys... 72 hr sale...

    The Superdrone stack is $156.95 (with $20 off ^ )

    The Turinabol stack is $177.95 (with $20 off ^ )

    PLUS you automatically get FREE shipping with both of these stacks.
    get on this!
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    Get on the sale now lads!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKStrength View Post
    Get on the sale now lads!
    down to 150 bottles of SD LV guys
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