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Old 10-15-2009, 05:05 AM   #1
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Guys,

below my supplemenetation stack / food - pls critique. Objective: muscle growth while maintaining / slowly increasing body weight:

Breakfast
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1 multivitamine
2 Omega3 supplement
1 scoop of ON Whey
wheat cereal
300g 2% milk

snack
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4 egg whites + 2 eggs - scrambled with 30g of oats

lunch
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chicken breast
wild rice
spinach

snack
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30g peanut butter
1 cup of yoghurt


pre-wo
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5g creatine
1 apple

pwo
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1 scoop ON whey
1 scoop of ON waxymaize
5g creatine

dinner
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salmon
rice
vegetables

pre-bed
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1 scoop casein (or cottage cheese)

TOTAL >2500 kCal and 200g protein

I train 4 times / week and aim for 1-2 running sessions (60 mins cross-training and or 30 mins HIIT). Pre and Post aerobic I take 5g BCAA.


I was adviced to make following changes:
- add 20g of glutamine per day (10g pwo, 10g pre-bed)
- increase vitamins (from 1 to 3 portions / day)
- increase omega-3 (from 1 to 2 portions / day)


Moreover, I have noticed that my urine is foamy, which usually means that there is too much protein in my diet.

Any suggestions?
thanks a lot
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Guys,

below my supplemenetation stack / food - pls critique. Objective: muscle growth while maintaining / slowly increasing body weight:



I train 4 times / week and aim for 1-2 running sessions (60 mins cross-training and or 30 mins HIIT). Pre and Post aerobic I take 5g BCAA.


I was adviced to make following changes:
- add 20g of glutamine per day (10g pwo, 10g pre-bed)
- increase vitamins (from 1 to 3 portions / day)
- increase omega-3 (from 1 to 2 portions / day)


Moreover, I have noticed that my urine is foamy, which usually means that there is too much protein in my diet.

Any suggestions?
thanks a lot
I`m going to comment on your supplements actually,
1), glutamine is a waste of money, unless your going via a IV then its useless,
2) increasing your multi vitamin from 1 to 3 portions a day is NOT a good idea, reason being is there are some vitamins and minerals that you do not want to overload into your body since they can build up in your system,plus its a waste of money, a good multi like ON Opti-Men is a great 1 a day vit, also animal pak is good,
3)omega`s are great, and increasing to 2 dosages should be fine,
4) your BCAA`s can also and should be used before and after your workouts as well, not just on cardio days

the last issue was about foamy urine, yes it is a sign of excess protein, however if its persistently foamy then you may have a problem,

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Foamy urine: What does it mean?What does it mean when you have foamy urine? Should I be concerned if it doesn't go away after a few days?
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Foamy urine is likely nothing to worry about if it happens only occasionally and isn't getting progressively more noticeable. It may just mean that you urinated rapidly, maybe with more concentrated urine — such as due to mild dehydration. You could drink more water to see if it goes away.

However, persistently foamy urine can be a sign of protein in your urine (proteinuria), which requires further evaluation. Large amounts of protein in urine may indicate a serious kidney problem.

If you're concerned about foamy urine, consult your doctor. He or she may recommend a urine analysis, which can detect protein in urine. If protein is detected in your urine, your doctor likely will recommend additional tests to determine the cause. source>MayoClinic.com
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:20 PM   #3
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Mike,
as always you are a star-just for clarification:

1/ for the vitamins - what would be the ingredients you have to keep below certain RDA (reason for question that US and European RDA's differ - so I really would like to know what US recommendation is)

2/ BCAA how much to take over-and-above the 5.5g already in the whey protein?

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Old 10-15-2009, 03:46 PM   #4
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Mike,
as always you are a star-just for clarification:

1/ for the vitamins - what would be the ingredients you have to keep below certain RDA (reason for question that US and European RDA's differ - so I really would like to know what US recommendation is)

2/ BCAA how much to take over-and-above the 5.5g already in the whey protein?

thanks buddy
well you have to remember that RDA is a guide line, and mostly outdated along with not having active or athletic people in mind, i just made a new thread on vitamins in the supplement section actually if you want to check that out, its called " vitamins"
as for the BCAA`s, i posted this a long while back,
What are BCAAs?

Amino acids, as you probably know are the building blocks of protein, which in turn are the building blocks of muscle. Research has revealed that certain amino acids –specifically, the branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs) maintain your muscle mass and strength during times of physical stress and intense workouts, all while preventing fatigue during exercise. The BCAAs: leucine, isoleucine and valine, are three essential amino acids. The ‘branched chain’ designation refers to their unique chemical structure. The ‘essential’ terminology indicates that your body cannot make them, so they must be obtained from the diet. The combination of these three BCAA’s makes up approximately 1/3 of skeletal muscle in the human body.

What do BCAAs do?

The BCAAs are of special importance to any nutrition program because they are not broken down in the liver but rather by-pass the liver and are transported directly to the muscle. Once in the muscle they play a significant role in transforming the body into a muscle building factory by influencing various aspects of muscle metabolism. Aside from playing an important role in protein synthesis, the BCAAs provide extra energy during heavy lifting, help spare muscle tissue and fight mental brain drain as you battle through a workout. The BCAAs unlike many other amino acids can also be used as fuel, producing energy to support your muscles during prolonged, intense exercise.

How do BCAAs prevent muscle loss?

The BCAAs reduce protein breakdown (catabolism), by stimulating the release of insulin. Insulin we know is an anabolic hormone usually associated with building various energy molecules in the body (glycogen and triglycerides). However, research has also shown that insulin plays a very important role in preventing the breakdown of muscle following periods of physical stress, such as after weight-lifting and running, thereby preserving muscle mass.

How do BCAAs aid in muscle growth?

BCAAs and particularly leucine, have anabolic (muscle-building) abilities by influencing various signalling cascades and chemical signals that activate protein synthesis. Through phosphyorylaton of mTOR (a key regulator of cell growth and protein synthesis), the BCAAs transforms the body into a muscle building machine. In simple terms, the body is switched into an anabolic state, using available amino acids to build protein and hard dense muscle. Therefore, to obtain the greatest benefit from BCAA supplements you must ensure that you are obtaining enough protein from your diet to support your increased ability to grow.

How do BCAA aid in mental fatigue and performance?

BCAAs are known to have a positive effect on mood and mental function in endurance athletes. Although limited, research supports the idea that the BCAAs can decrease serotonin in the brain (serotonin can cause a sense of tiredness), thereby lowering mental fatigue keeping one mentally sharp during prolonged endurance exercise.

Do I get enough BCAAs from the protein I eat?

Dairy and red meat contain the greatest amounts of BCAAs. Other sources include whey protein and egg protein. Although, they are present in all protein containing foods, there is a definite advantage supplementing your diet with additional BCAAs, especially before or after training in order to obtain the greatest benefit from these exceptional amino acids have on muscle building.

Who should take them?

Bodybuilders, athletes, serious weight trainers who workout regularly, and endurance athletes who regularly compete in aerobic events such as running, cycling or swimming will benefit from supplementing with BCAA.

How much should I take, when and how often?

BCAAs can be taken at anytime during the day, preferably on an empty stomach to avoid competition for absorption with other amino acids. Although, the most beneficial time to take BCAAs is directly before training. An acute dose of BCAA probably won’t directly boost endurance during a competitive event but taking 7-10 grams before strenuous workouts will produce beneficial long-term effects in the serious athlete
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Old 10-15-2009, 04:04 PM   #5
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If that works out to be 2,500 kcal with 200g protein I doubt that will be enough for someone who is physically active to gain weight. Try it and see, but I would say after 2 weeks you will know for sure if you will need to up your food intake.
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I agree with chimera I think you need to up that cal in take nothing crazy...maybe a good pre work out meal instead of jus apples to get you closer to that 3000 range not only that but you have to snacks back to back getting in the extra cals pre wo would fuel better work outs
 
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I`m going to comment on your supplements actually,
1), glutamine is a waste of money, unless your going via a IV then its useless,
2) increasing your multi vitamin from 1 to 3 portions a day is NOT a good idea, reason being is there are some vitamins and minerals that you do not want to overload into your body since they can build up in your system,plus its a waste of money, a good multi like ON Opti-Men is a great 1 a day vit, also animal pak is good,
3)omega`s are great, and increasing to 2 dosages should be fine,
4) your BCAA`s can also and should be used before and after your workouts as well, not just on cardio days

the last issue was about foamy urine, yes it is a sign of excess protein, however if its persistently foamy then you may have a problem,
dude GREAT post! i agree with everything you said.

i would not have thought of saying all those things but you are right.
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dude GREAT post! i agree with everything you said.

i would not have thought of saying all those things but you are right.
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out of curiosity, how would u go about iving glutamine? injections or a drip and wat are its benefits
 
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out of curiosity, how would u go about iving glutamine? injections or a drip and wat are its benefits
well you wouldnt, you would need to be in a hospital for a I.V. drip, mostly burn victims and cancer patients benefit from glutamine drips, basically for burn victims its used to help reduce blood infections , for cancer it helps the immune system, since Glutamine is the primary source of energy for the various cells of the immune system, including T cells and macrophages, its used in high dosages to boost the immune system, but the real life studies were conducted using I.V. on such patients and this is where the controversy on supplemental L-glutamine comes into play, supplement companies took off with the concept of these studies and use it as a basis on the benefits of the powder form of L-glutamine,
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ooooooooooooo wow talk about taking some info and totally twisting it to ur advantage supplement companies are such sleazebags sometimes
 
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