Choices on Prohormones

Its_Punishment · 10-10-2009, 05:51 AM

Hey this is my first post and i think im puttin it in the right place im 20years old ive been in 4 bbing comps 3highschool ones then mr.anchorage and won the jrs umm and ive decided to try some prohormones cause im living down in the states and would like to compete in some of the local shows but the boys are big haha, um not to get to the nidee gridee i can get a big order of some from a website called the musclestore, the list is Halodrol, Fina flex and Trenboldenone followed by some other non prohormones, but their caps and i know their hard on the liver a few buddies have tried and liked them buut i was looking around and found a few from advanced muscle science, 4-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one, 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one, and NorAndrostene-3b-ol, 17-one ive done my research on those but no clue accept from what y friends told me about the muscle store products and i dont know what to choose so please im begging you all for some help!!!

**projecthatch92** · 10-10-2009, 10:31 AM

welcome to the dungeon and congrats on winning all those competitions.

In my opinion, if you're winning all these comps naturally, why try prohormones? And also, in the last couple of weeks, there was a huge PH raid over at bodybuilding.com, so a lot of companies have pulled everything off their shelves and stopped making prohormones all together. With that said, you're going to have a hard time finding stuff to order since most companies are trying to get rid of everything asap. I know that Orbit is almost all out of ph's.

Out of curiousty, what are your stats, and any pictures if you got 'em

animal1918 · 10-10-2009, 10:54 AM

please do your research if your set on this... these are steroids just look at this forum right now with how many pepole are asking for help with things like gyno....you must understand that its not as simple as popping some pills there are on cycle support supps that should be taken as well as proper p.c.t. the most important part....if u do go therw with it start light h-dro or bold/eq-plex

**projecthatch92** · 10-10-2009, 12:07 PM

agreed. my pct is usually the first thing I buy before I even by my ph's

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Its_Punishment

Hey this is my first post and i think im puttin it in the right place im 20years old ive been in 4 bbing comps 3highschool ones then mr.anchorage and won the jrs umm and ive decided to try some prohormones cause im living down in the states and would like to compete in some of the local shows but the boys are big haha, um not to get to the nidee gridee i can get a big order of some from a website called the musclestore, the list is Halodrol, Fina flex and Trenboldenone followed by some other non prohormones, but their caps and i know their hard on the liver a few buddies have tried and liked them buut i was looking around and found a few from advanced muscle science, 4-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one, 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one, and NorAndrostene-3b-ol, 17-one ive done my research on those but no clue accept from what y friends told me about the muscle store products and i dont know what to choose so please im begging you all for some help!!!

All Pro Hormones will do is screw your liver completely, screw your BP levels and give you strength gains for 4 weeks.. then your back to where you started, even after a solid PTC. They are highly toxic and IMO more dangerous then any injectable AAS if not abused. Your 20 years old, get a solid diet down, train your ass off and take the basic protocol of supplements and you will be fine. You obviously have experience in those so keep at it and in time you will grow. Your young as hell, don't rush into anything that's worth risking your health just to gain a tad bit of muscle and bring your lifts up a few pounds. Because those stats will not last, and it isn't worth it in the end. You can achieve the same amount of results while using a PH minues all the horrible side effects and will in face be able to maintain those gains MUCH longer without going through PCT crap. Sure it might take a little longer then 4 weeks, but if you care about your health and are truly dedicated to it, hold off on the PH's for a another couple years.

**projecthatch92** · 10-10-2009, 01:09 PM

Hp I agree with half of what you're saying, but my liver values and BP values are perfectly fine, and I have the blood work to prove it. I've also kept a lot of solid muscle from both of my ph cycles.

However, I do agree that if he's had this much success without ph's, there's no need for him to start taking them. There's a lot more to ph's then just taking some pills and lifting heavy ass weight.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by projecthatch92

Hp I agree with half of what you're saying, but my liver values and BP values are perfectly fine, and I have the blood work to prove it. I've also kept a lot of solid muscle from both of my ph cycles.

However, I do agree that if he's had this much success without ph's, there's no need for him to start taking them. There's a lot more to ph's then just taking some pills and lifting heavy ass weight.

So your saying a methylated oral form steroid will have absolutely no affect on your liver or BP levels? There are products out there to supplement your BP levels and the correct function of your liver but most people don't take into consideration those risks.... They just think okay I have the bottle now. I have the PCT I'm good to go. No that's about half the battle imo.

**projecthatch92** · 10-10-2009, 01:20 PM

I'm not saying that during cycle they were fine. I'm saying currently, I'm perfectly healthy, and also a month after my PCT everything was in check.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 01:29 PM

Okay that's correct for sure. I'm just letting the guy know and understand the risks of taking oral form steroids and how toxic they are to the body. Steroids should only be administered between the ages of 21-25 but "technically" after 25 because that's when your Test Levels drop. Now that I think about it.. taking a PH is just as bad as unhealthy as taking an oral only cycle, considering one gives better strength and mass gains then the other, but still as toxic lol. (methly PH's that is.)

**projecthatch92** · 10-10-2009, 01:49 PM

yup. agree with ya on that one. i can't even tell you how much research i've done on ph's, and how much i'm still doing. there's always more to learn

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 01:50 PM

Honestly, with all the proven facts of how toxic they are. Nobody should take them.

GENOMYX · 10-10-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Honestly, with all the proven facts of how toxic they are. Nobody should take them.

Thats your opinion.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 04:24 PM

Thanks for stating the obvious. Anything else you'd like to throw out there. I'm all ears, and ready for a debate on how Pro Hormones are one of the most toxic and dangerous form of steroids to put into your body (keep in mind this is coming from someone who as ran over 8 Pro Hormone cycles without knowing half the knowledge I knew then now)

GENOMYX · 10-10-2009, 04:34 PM

Well there you go thats why you didnt keep any gains and probably tore your body up.

Im not sure what side of the bed you got up on but Im not ready to debate I have better things to do. In fact Im here to help.

So if Its Punishment, you have any questions bro you can PM me directly or Im sure Project will help you out as well. Mich from Orbitnutrition will help you out as well.

GENOMYX · 10-10-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by projecthatch92

yup. agree with ya on that one. i can't even tell you how much research i've done on ph's, and how much i'm still doing. there's always more to learn

Yo project off topic but your sig is funny as hell. Id probably be scared as hell too like that guy. lol

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 04:46 PM

I'm here to help as well. That's why I'm one of the most respected members on here. Prohormones are the most ridiculously hyped of all bodybuilding supplements. But what I've come to realize recently and with my own personal experience that all PH's do will do is give you a significant amount of strength gains for 4-6 weeks, pull up the weight scale just a tad bit and give you a ton of water. Then run the Post Cycle Protocol and pretty much get back to where they were in the beginning. They are very toxic and very very harsh on your body. Any kind of oral steroid is much more taxing on your body it's proven fact.

And who said I never made any gains? I've stacked PH's upon PH's and got up to 190lbs on one of them. PCT Protocol ran as follwed on all them, 50/50/25/25 of Clomid and a few Nolva stacks here and there. Gained a solid 15 or 20 pounds, but slowly came back down to where I was. Because they are basically weak anabolic steroids.. period. Why put your body under so much stress for weak results when you can go the other much safer route if used moderately.

**T.O** · 10-10-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Anything else you'd like to throw out there. I'm all ears, and ready for a debate on how Pro Hormones are one of the most toxic and dangerous form of steroids to put into your body (keep in mind this is coming from someone who as ran over 8 Pro Hormone cycles without knowing half the knowledge I knew then now)

wow bro i think you need to calm down on all the ph bashing, you condone a epistane cycle in the steroid section but then bash the hell out of them here. also i am sure you didnt take the proper steps to during your 8 cycles since you didnt keep your gains and i know many guys that have including myself. again for people that cant and wont get steroids this is there alternative and if they want to do them all we can do is educate and not bash buddy.

GENOMYX · 10-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Like many threads on this forum, Prohormones are more toxic, dangerouse FACT. But legal for now at least until this whole prohormones chaos blows over. Steroids are safer but illegal FACT. Not everyone has the connections like you HP to get gear or has the means to keep it from family, spouses co workers etc. People have different situations in life.

If you say your the most respected memebr around here than act like it and stop throwing your di** around saying its the biggest. For those that know who I am Ive been around this forum for a long tme as well.

**T.O** · 10-10-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GENOMYX

Like many threads on this forum, Prohormones are more toxic, dangerouse FACT. But legal for now at least until this whole prohormones chaos blows over. Steroids are safer but illegal FACT. Not everyone has the connections like you HP to get gear or has the means to keep it from family, spouses co workers etc. People have different situations in life.

If you say your the most respected memebr around here than act like it and stop throwing your di** around saying its the biggest. For those that know who I am Ive been around this forum for a long tme as well.

yup i would say you have been around a long time and very well respected...i do know who you are and respect you tons bro.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 04:59 PM

Yeah I figured you'd chime in on this T.O. since your the head man of a supplement company. All I'm saying is an oral precursor to a steroid which turns into a steroid after conversion such as a PH is much more harmful then any other supplement on the market. Just for informational purposes, if you choose to take an oral form steroid, then do it the safer way in moderation. I mean if you've gone as far as deciding to purchase an oral form steroid from a supplement company then why not just flip the page and research further into safer alternatives.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GENOMYX

Like many threads on this forum, Prohormones are more toxic, dangerouse FACT. But legal for now at least until this whole prohormones chaos blows over. Steroids are safer but illegal FACT. Not everyone has the connections like you HP to get gear or has the means to keep it from family, spouses co workers etc. People have different situations in life.

If you say your the most respected memebr around here than act like it and stop throwing your di** around saying its the biggest. For those that know who I am Ive been around this forum for a long tme as well.

If you can't get your hands on any safer alternatives then don't considering doing them until you can. Sorry bro didn't realize you've been around that long, your "Join Date" must be very inaccurate.

**T.O** · 10-10-2009, 05:05 PM

like i stated many people cant get there hands on them and yes there are "safer" illegal alternatives which most people cant get. I chime in cause our job is to educate people so they take them safely and don't hurt them selfs.

GENOMYX · 10-10-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

If you can't get your hands on any safer alternatives then don't considering doing them until you can. Sorry bro didn't realize you've been around that long, your "Join Date" must be very inaccurate.

I agree. I think real gear is a much better choice but we cant go around telling people to chose the ilegal choice if you know what I mean.

Yeah this is a new account and title for me. So Im starting from the ground up all over again.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O

like i stated many people cant get there hands on them and yes there are "safer" illegal alternatives which most people cant get. I chime in cause our job is to educate people so they take them safely and don't hurt them selfs.

My point exactly....... I just want this kid to know and understand the risks involved in putting oral steroids into your body.

Its_Punishment · 10-10-2009, 06:53 PM

well i would like to say thanks....i think i know their ganna be hard on my liver and stuff i was planing on taking hi-test which says Maximum production and restoration of testosterone, and makes my body to reproduce anabolic test. Also i was goin to take Milk thistle to help my liver clean itself up. but if anyone of you guys can PM me and help me with my question it would be much appreciated. and ill be posting my pictures in the members pictures section Labeled Me at 17.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 06:58 PM

So are you 17 or 20.

Its_Punishment · 10-10-2009, 07:02 PM

im 20 years old but my highschool photos are to dark to see and my jr anchorage pictures were when i was 17 i havnt competed since i was 18 i took time off to get my body bigger so i could move out of the jr classes and win a over all show

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 07:02 PM

Ok cool looking forward to those.

Its_Punishment · 10-10-2009, 07:07 PM

Their up!

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-10-2009, 07:23 PM

Where?