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okay everyone. so ive decided to go ahead and try someee pro-anabol from the supplement store on thisss siteee. anyways, i went ahead and ordered pro-anabol, and for my pct, i went ahead and got the "premium post-cycle stack which includes, 1activate extreme + 1 novedex xt, and just to be on the safe side, i also got P.C.T. assist. good idea? ive been lifting for about 9 months straight now, and ive seem to hit a pretty strong barrier, so im just using this to hopefully overcome that barrier. let me know what you guys think WITHOUT tearing me apart haha. however, criticism is welcomed, just dont kill me.
 
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sounds like you got all your bases covered.
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If you have been training for only 9 months perhaps you could change some things in your training and or diet to break through the plateau.

If you do go ahead with the cycle and T.O says your PCT is fine then good luck and i hope you get some good results!
 
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pro anabol is super mild and not considered a ph by many.
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well as long as your going to do it, you at least have your pct lined up, which is something that not everyone takes into account, keep your diet on track to maximize the benefits of the products your using and you should do well, all the best and let us know how it goes for you
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well as long as your going to do it, you at least have your pct lined up, which is something that not everyone takes into account, keep your diet on track to maximize the benefits of the products your using and you should do well, all the best and let us know how it goes for you
when i eat, i usually stick with something like grilled chicken, rice, and some sort of vegetable. the only thing is, its hard to eat as much as i want being as im in iraq. we stay pretty busy, so i just got some mt meso-tech to help out a little. i dont LOVE muscletech by any means, its quite expensive and other brands make the same products if not then better products for a cheaper price. anyways, i just got some meso for the extra caloriess
 
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I would say there is no way you have hit your platue after only 9 months. Sounds like you got you mind made up on this but I would still look into changing up your routine. Heres a few threads to check out. Bodybuilding Dungeon
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Burst Through Plateaus
with Old-Time Muscle-Building Sets and Reps

by Jim Carpentier, C.S.C.S

Are your reps getting “repetitious” -- meaning that you’ve hit a new low in the gym after your workouts fail to provide any gains? If your muscles could talk, they would be shouting back at you, “What, three sets of 10 AGAIN?” Well, hopefully this article will enable you to burst through monotonous workouts and plateaus by adding variety with some old-time muscle-building methods.

These decades-old methods yield results especially if strength and size gains have diminished or have stagnated from overdoing traditional movements. This article will revive some popular bodybuilding systems that will vitalize dull workouts and also decrease training time for a productive and varied bodybuilding program.


Creativity In The Weight Room To Overcome Plateaus

Many bodybuilders experience training plateaus from insufficient sleep; overtraining/inadequate recovery; or nutritional deficiencies, for example. However, a common, yet overlooked reason is due to lack of imagination. In recent weeks, has each set been “set in stone” – using the same weight for 8-12 reps; and each rep performed in the same manner? Bodybuilders and other strength-training athletes overcome plateaus by applying the principles known as variation and periodization which entail periodically “manipulating the frequency, intensity, duration, and/or mode of an exercise program to promote maximal improvements with minimal opportunities for overtraining (both mental and physical),” according to Thomas R. Baechle and Barney R. Groves, authors of Weight Training Steps To Success (1992, Leisure Press).

Creativity is a surefire way to energize workouts and spark muscle growth. Once muscles adapt to workout routines – using a constant rep tempo; taking identical rest between sets; doing the same exercises each workout, etc. – growth is minimal. Bypass plateaus by simply varying both rep speed and technique; reducing time between sets and/or exercises; or even reversing exercise sequence to enhance growth. The following old-time plateau-busting techniques should easily accommodate busy schedules and boost size/strength gains. These methods can be done twice weekly lasting from only 20 minutes (ideal if time is limited) to no more than 45 minutes.


1Ľ Reps

Take any exercise – barbell squat, bench press, bent-over row, arm curl, etc. As an example using squats, perform a warm-up set using just the 45 lb. bar on your shoulders, and then choose a weight that you could not exceed 10 reps with. This first set will be done “1Ľ Rep” style: Start by slowly descending to parallel (deep knee bend). Next, ascend only a quarter of the way, return to parallel, pause, and then ascend to the standing position. That’s 1 rep. Repeat. (By the time you reach reps 6 or 7, it will be intense!). Rest 1 minute before doing set 2.


21s

Set 2 could be done using the old “21s” style. For squats, slowly descend to parallel, come up a quarter way 7 times; ascend to upright position and immediately lower a quarter way 7 times; then, immediately descend to parallel and do full squats 7 times. (7 x 3 = 21 – if you are wondering about 21s style). After 2 sets, your muscles should be burning! Rest 2 minutes, and then do set 3.


Super Slow Reps

Here’s another old-time favorite: “Super Slow Reps.” Use 30 to 40 percent less weight than normal. With squats, slowly descend counting 5 seconds until parallel. Keeping constant tension (no bouncing or pausing), slowly ascend to a count of 10 seconds until upright. Repeat for 4 to 8 reps. (You should be panting after only 4 or 5 of these super slow reps!).

Note That Multi-joint Movements Are Muscle-Building Time-Savers
Exercises like squats and bench presses are multi-joint exercises affecting more muscles per movement; optimally produce greater muscle mass; and are more time-efficient than single-joint exercises such as leg or arm curls that train only 1 muscle group.


Reverse Pyramid

Next is the classic “Reverse Pyramid” for 3 sets – a “heavy-to-light” approach using another multi-joint movement, barbell or dumbbell rows. (Regular pyramid style begins with light weight and high reps on set 1 and increasing the poundage each successive set with less reps each set). For the Reverse Pyramid use a heavy weight for 3-5 reps for set 1. Rest 1 minute between sets 1 and 2. Set 2, reduce the weight 10 lbs. and try 6-8 reps in a faster, explosive tempo for power. Rest 30-45 seconds, decrease the weight another 20 lbs. and do 12-20 reps, again performed explosively, during your third set.

These are ways to generate muscle growth through condensed (yet intense) training sessions using the above multi-joint exercises. Also do these methods with single-joint exercises if time allows and substitute exercises each workout. If you did squats Monday, do multi-joint leg presses or deadlifts Wednesday or Thursday (train every third day if you have time for only 2 workouts in a given week). Instead of bench presses, try 21s with pushups – bringing a new dimension to this body weight-only exercise! Be like the baseball pitcher who varies pitches to baffle batters. You, too, must “throw curves” at your muscles by often changing rep speeds; or “throwing a change-up” by starting 1 session with squats; next workout with bench presses; and next with rows. Performing just 3 multi-joint exercises -- squats, bench presses, and rows -- and doing 3 sets per exercise (9 total sets the whole workout) should only take 20 minutes.


Super Sets

How about “Super Sets” in Super Slow style? A super set means consecutively doing 2 exercises that train opposite muscle groups with no rest between both exercises. Do a set of super slow bench presses or pushups followed immediately (super set) with bent-over rows in super slow fashion. Super Sets are also super time-savers! While bench presses or pushups target the chest, deltoids and triceps; rows, pulldowns or chin-ups build opposite muscle groups (back, biceps) – training multiple muscle groups in less time!

Compound, Pre-Exhaust, & Straight Sets

Another time-saver involves “Compound Sets” (a.k.a. “Giant Sets”). Compound sets comprise 2, 3 or even 4 nonstop exercises for the same muscle group (no rest between exercises as with super sets). While super sets involve only 2 uninterrupted consecutive exercises for opposite muscle groups, compound or giant sets (“giant” sets because they really are expanded sets merging at least 2-4 straight exercises) focus on the same muscle group. A typical compound set for pectoral muscles might be bench presses immediately followed with dumbbell flyes, chair or bar dips, and concluding with incline dumbbell presses – a truly massive set comprising 4 nonstop exercises. A giant set for thighs, meanwhile, might be leg extensions followed quickly by squats, leg curls, and lunges.

For the chest, by doing single-joint flyes followed quickly with either multi-joint bench presses or pushups, you are performing the “Pre-Exhaust System.” Robert Kennedy, author of Bodybuilding Basics (1991, Sterling Publishing Co.), says that he likes to use the pre-exhaust principle on 1 body part at a time to ‘jolt’ the muscles into new growth. “To pre-exhaust every muscle group, every workout, would be too hard on the body.” Pre-exhaust sets really zero in on a specific muscle group that is insufficiently trained from just doing sets of 1 regular multi-joint exercise such as a bench press. For instance, bench presses indirectly work chest muscles because the triceps and deltoids are also involved in the lift and are known as the “weak links,” according to Kennedy. However, by first doing single-joint flyes (where triceps are virtually excluded), the chest muscles are directly targeted. The chest, therefore, is “pre-exhausted” by a set of single-joint flyes and gets additional training when multi-joint bench presses rapidly follow. Thus, the single-joint/multi-joint combination (done nonstop) thoroughly works the chest.

All sets are “super” with 1Ľ, 21s, Super Slow, Reverse Pyramid, Super Set, Compound Set, and Pre-Exhaust schemes! They contrast standard “Straight Sets” (the most common training method and arguably the most result producing, according to Kennedy). “A straight set is the performing of one set of, for the sake of argument, bench presses. You perform your set of 8-12 reps, rest for a minute or two and perform your second set. After another minute or two’s rest, you take a third set, and so on,” Kennedy adds.

Partial Reps

“Partial Reps” enable you to use heavier weight than you would use for a full-range movement. When doing “partials,” you are lifting the weight through your strongest range of motion only – which is the last few inches before completing the lift. Pete Sisco, author of Power Factor Training (Contemporary Books, 1997) and Static Contraction Training (Contemporary Books, 1999) advocates doing all your weight training exercises in your strongest range of motion only, using the heaviest weight possible. Partial reps are usually done with a Power Rack or Smith Machine, using pins to set the bar for the last few inches of the lift. For instance, for a bench press, the bar would be lifted from a pin 2 or 3 inches before you lock out at the top of the movement. Your arms are nearly extended before you press the bar to its completion. Partial reps are easier on the joints than full-range reps, and can be done using faster lifting speeds and high reps for an intense training effect.

Final Thoughts, Suggestions On Incorporating The Methods

Experiment with your workouts by incorporating 21s, 1Ľ, Super Set styles, etc., then, revert to a week of straight sets to minimize overtraining. After standard straight sets, return to 21s, Reverse Pyramids, et.al. Exercising regularly must be a lifetime habit for athletes and non-athletes. And to reduce boredom and/or overcome plateaus in the gym, performing exercises in an irregular manner will continually spur both mind and muscle!
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Great articles always coming from islander
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yea thats no joke. maybe ill hold off on this wholee pill thingg, and give myself a few months to get stronger naturally. those supps and stuff dont go like "bad" or anything do they?
 
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nah the shelf life is pretty long on those, just keep them in a dry cool area.
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excellent post islander!
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excellent post islander!
yeaa definately. i wanna thank you guys for helping me out. i dont know all that much about this kinda stuff, so its cool that you more experienced guys are willing to help out. thanks again
 
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thanks. There is so many other cool training techniques and systems to those are just the basics. I would defeinlty like to see him try something new and be impressed with how well hed do staying heavy supp free first, at least just to try.

Your right mention diet could be key for you too, the extra cals and protein should really help keep those gains esp if your not getting enough.
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thanks. There is so many other cool training techniques and systems to those are just the basics. I would defeinlty like to see him try something new and be impressed with how well hed do staying heavy supp free first, at least just to try.

Your right mention diet could be key for you too, the extra cals and protein should really help keep those gains esp if your not getting enough.
hmm, yea im actually drinking a protein shake right now lol. but yeaa, i mean, i stand 5'7" weigh in at just about 168. my max bench right now is 240, and the most ive ever squatted was 225 eight times. i dont want to max on that because i dont think my lower back is strong enough to tolerate the weight, so i'd rather not hurt myself in that category. are those pretty decent numbers for someone my size?
 
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hmm, yea im actually drinking a protein shake right now lol. but yeaa, i mean, i stand 5'7" weigh in at just about 168. my max bench right now is 240, and the most ive ever squatted was 225 eight times. i dont want to max on that because i dont think my lower back is strong enough to tolerate the weight, so i'd rather not hurt myself in that category. are those pretty decent numbers for someone my size?
yea bro, those are good numbers for anyone, its always a good idea to move up in your max`s when you feel its time, and a back injury is not something to take lightly, you have the correct mind set with that.
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yea bro, those are good numbers for anyone, its always a good idea to move up in your max`s when you feel its time, and a back injury is not something to take lightly, you have the correct mind set with that.
thanks man. yea so im hoping that within the next two months or so, i can move my max bench up to around 255 or 260. somewhere around there would be a good improvment, at least in my eyes. another thing is, i want t get significantly bigger withoutttt losing a lot of flexibility. i know that sometimes, people gettoo big and they cant move around, but i just want to be bigger with manuverablity (if thats how you spell it).
 
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