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Old 08-05-2005, 08:21 PM   #1
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found stuff which says gives engry..etc...say's 4 caps per serving.......they got to be kidding..i took one when i got home and felt a slight buzz..no way im taking 4 before going to the gym..i'd be so wired i'd be humping the leg press!!

they're new but looks odd...they're only 11$ for 60caps...

im going try just 2 tomorrow not 4...now if you notice the ad below on their site it says serving size 1 cap but on bottle it says 4...i figured i'd bring this too the gods of this forum and ask how much should i take???
does this really do anything??

Rapid Fat Loss & Energy Booster!

The first time I showed someone the transparent red bottle of Charge!® ASF and told them it would do all of those wonderful things, they laughed at me. When I added “…and it will only take two capsules”, they just about had a fit.

There’s no way around it. If you overeat, you’ll never arrive at your destination of a camera-ready physique -a body of shapely curves or concrete muscle. But controlling your appetite can be really tough. As you eat less and become leaner, your appetite frequently grows in ferocity and your energy levels take a nosedive. It’s enough to make you want to go back to the kitchen table and forget the whole thing. It takes a much bigger kick in the pants to get you fired up and ready for the gym –or for your day!

That’s why Ephedra-Free Charge!® ASF was developed. Charge!® ASF allows you to keep your energy levels up at the same time that you curb senseless overeating and accelerate fat loss.

You Need to Do More Than Just ‘Stimulate Your Metabolism

Marketers of fat-loss products talk a lot about artificially stimulating your metabolism (your calorie-burning rate.) But in the war on fat, it’s far more important to curb overeating. Unfortunately, your tendency to overeat is programmed into your DNA –your genes. It’s been that way for hundreds of thousands of years. Help comes in the form of Ephedra-free Charge!®ASF. Its unique fusion of plant-derived molecules enable you to curb senseless overeating so you don’t feel restricted. To boot, Charge!® ASF helps you maintain your ‘fire’ in the gym, whether you’re running on the treadmill or clanging plates at the squat rack.

You’ll Be Shocked to Learn This!

Stimulants like ephedrine prompt your body to artificially increase its metabolic rate without there being a real physiological need to do so. It’s a dead end as far as noticeable fat loss goes. And in some people it’s caused nasty side effects like anxiety, high blood pressure, increased heart rate, and the ‘jitters.The irony is that most stimulants only increase metabolism by a very small amount compared to the big increase in metabolic rate you get from working out.

To Get Leaner, You MUST Curb Overeating!

In fact, it only takes a few extra bites of food –just a little bit of overindulgence-- to completely override any metabolism-elevating effect achieved by artificial means such as when you use an ephedra-based product.

The secret to getting the body you really want is to suppress your appetite for calories you don’t need in a way that doesn’t leave you feeling restricted –or low in energy. You need to be able to fly through your workouts with power and enthusiasm!

Charge!® ASF Works with Any Diet to Help You Get Ripped!

My Labrada Nutrition R&D Team formulated Charge!® ASF to give you the appetite suppression, energy boost, and fat-burning control you need, no matter what kind of diet you’re on. But Charge!® ASF is especially effective when used with high-protein, moderate-carbohydrate diets.

When you eat fewer carbs, you burn more fat. Fantastic, right? Yes, however, this fat-burning fire frequently sets your appetite ablaze. Meanwhile, your energy levels tank.

“Charge! is awesome. It really helps me stay lean and in top shape for photo shoots and fitness competitions.”
- Michelle Sharp, Fitness Model

Carbs or No Carbs, Calorie Control is Critical!

On the other hand, when you eat a low-fat diet you often crave the taste of fatty foods! The bottom line is that carbs or no carbs, you must take charge your appetite and keep your fat-burning metabolism screaming! Lose control of your appetite, or allow your fat-burning metabolism to weaken, and you’ll end up getting softer rather than harder, fatter rather than leaner.

The Fat Loss Accelerating ‘Fusion’ of Charge!® ASF

In developing Charge!® ASF, I had my Labrada R&D team assemble a formula of plant-derived molecules with complementary features: catechins from Green Tea Leaf, methylxanthines from Guarana, biogenic amines from Bitter Orange, and more.

It’s a case of 1+1+1 = 6. The Green Tea catechins act synergistically with methylxanthines in the Guarana and synephrine in the Bitter Orange to give you a metabolic advantage they can’t provide on their own. Yet Charge!® ASF is still ‘jitter-free.’ No irritability, no anxiety, no cold sweats. NO EPHEDRA.

Charge!® ASF: The Highest Concentration of EGCG Available!

One of the most important catechins in green tea leaf is epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG). I picked Charge!® ASF’s green tea leaf extract to give you the highest EGCG concentration available! Plus, Charge!® ASF has 50% more synephrine (from Bitter Orange) than the ‘leading’ ephedra-free fat-burning formula.

Charge!® ASF: Feel the Charge!

Finally, I had my R&D Team formulate Charge!® ASF’s proprietary ‘Thermoblend’ with L-tyrosine to help you re-stock fat-mobilizing neurotransmitters in your brain (e.g.,norepinephrine) as soon as they’re released by the synergistic combination of Green Tea, Guarana and Bitter Orange. With all this extra EGCG, synephrine and neurotransmitter-replenishing power, you can expect:

* 1. Enhanced mental drive and energy (awesome workouts!)
* 2. Faster fat-burning rate (accelerated fat loss!)
* 3. Control overeating (without feeling restricted!)

“Wow! Charge! definitely takes energy boosters to the next level of perfection!”
- Giancarlo Forni, National N.P.C. Competitor

What's In It?
Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 120

Amount Per Serving:

Green Tea Extract: 200mg
(95% polyphenols: catechins 90%: epigallocatachin gallate EGCG 45%)
Guarana Extract (198mg caffeine) 550mg
Bitter Orange (9mg synepherine) 150mg
White Willow Bark Extract (7.5mg salicin) 50mg
Ginger Root 10mg
Proprietary Charge Thermoblend: 375mg
(L-Tyrosine, L-Carnitine, Naringin) Ingredients:
Gelatin, Microcrystalline cellulose, Magnesium stearate, Silicone dioxide, Titanium dioxide.

Directions: Take 2 capsules in the morning or 30 minutes prior to a workout. Do not exceed 4 capsules a day(see warning), for best results, use as part of a diet and exercise program.

Warnings: Do not use of pregnant or nursing or if you have or have a family history of heart disease, thyroid disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, recurrebt headaches, depression or other psychiatric condition, glaucoma, difficulty in urinating, prostate enlargement, or seizure disorder. Limit the use of caffeine containing products while on this product. To much caffeine may cause nervousness, irritabilty, sleeplessneww, and occasionally rapid heartbeat. Improper use of product may be hazardous to a persons health. Not intende for persons under 18. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN.
 
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:13 PM   #2
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Not sure on the whole thing , but bitter orange is the common name for a plant which contains synephrine. Synephrine is used in a lot of Ephedrine Free products because it is a vasoconstrictor and gives you the same hot feelings. There is both a p and m isomer, with m-synephrine being the one more likelyto raise blood pressure. Here is another link I found. Hope this helps. Hdogg or Flex?
Supplement Synephrine

Description Synephrine is the main "active" compound found in the fruit of a plant called Citrus aurantium. The fruit is also known as zhi shi (in traditional Chinese medicine), and as green orange, sour orange and bitter orange in other parts of the world. Synephrine is chemically very similar to the ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine found in many OTC cold/allergy medications and in a number of weight loss and energy supplements which contain Ma Huang. But synephrine differs from ephedrine in that synephrine is considered a semi-selective sympathomimetic (because it targets some tissues such as fat, more than it targets others such as the heart) versus a non-selective sympathomimetic (like ephedra which targets many tissues equally and thus often causes side effects). For example, although some high-dose ephedra-containing supplements have been associated with certain cardiovascular side effects as elevated blood pressure and heart palpitations, researchers at Mercer University in Atlanta have shown that Citrus aurantium extract (because it targets fat tissue rather than heart tissue) has no effect on hemodynamics such as heart rate and blood pressure.

Claims

* Increases metabolic rate
* Increases caloric expenditure
* Fat burner
* Promotes weight loss
* Increases energy levels


Theory Because synephrine is a mild stimulant similar in some ways to caffeine and ephedrine, it is thought to have similar effects in terms of providing an energy boost, suppressing appetite, and increasing metabolic rate and caloric expenditure. In traditional Chinese medicine, zhi shi is used to help stimulate qi (pronounced chee, and defined as the body’s vital energy or life force) – but in order to maximize the metabolic benefits of these extracts, total synephrine intake should probably be kept to a range of 2-10 mg/day. Although synephrine and several other compounds found in zhi shi are structurally similar to ephedrine and are known to act as stimulants (via adrenergic activity), zhi shi does not appear to have the same negative central nervous effects of ma huang (ephedra). Through its stimulation of specific adrenergic receptors (beta-3, but not beta-1, beta-2 or alpha-1), zhi shi is theorized to stimulate fat metabolism without the negative cardiovascular side effects experienced by some people with Ma Huang (which stimulates all beta-adrenergic receptors).

Scientific Support The effects of synephrine alone or in combination with other ingredients such as kola nut and guarana (both are caffeine sources) or with salicylates such as white willow (a natural form of aspirin) generally fall into the category of acting as a mild stimulant. The extract of citrus aurantium, in addition to synephrine, also contains tyramine and octopamine. Octopamine may be related in some way to appetite control, as it is thought to influence insect behavior by stopping bugs from eating the citrus fruit (so if you’re an insect, this may be the perfect weight loss supplement for you).

A recent study conducted in dogs suggests that synephrine and octopamine can increase metabolic rate in a specific type of fat tissue known as brown adipose tissue (BAT). This effect would be expected to increase fat loss in humans – except for one small detail – adult humans don’t have brown adipose tissue to speak of.

Up until very recently, synephrine-containing supplements existed with only some interesting theories on how they might work to increase metabolic rate and promote significant weight loss. At this writing, there are now at least two clinical studies showing that synephrine-containing supplements help promote weight loss, and at least three clinical studies showing an enhanced thermogenesis (calorie expenditure) from these supplements. There is a great deal of research currently underway into the weight loss benefits of synephrine and supplements with related thermogenic effects, leading researchers in the Department of Physiology at Georgetown University to conclude that “Citrus aurantium may be the best thermogenic substitute for ephedra.”

Safety Early animal studies using high doses of isolated (purified) synephrine have been shown to raise blood pressure - but more recent human studies of citrus aurantoum extracts (standardized for synephrine) have not demonstrated any cardiovascular side effects. When used as directed (see dosage below), synephrine-containing supplements appear to be quite safe and should be treated as a mild stimulant (similar to a cup of coffee) with appetite controlling and mild thermogenic properties.

Value The most likely explanation for weight loss effects attributed to citrus aurantium supplements is the mild appetite reduction and thermogenisis. Although these effect is likely to be somewhat less dramatic that effects induced by Ma Huang (ephedra alkaloids), users can expect variable effects including reduced appetite and heightened feelings of energy (similar to caffeine) – both of which are likely to result in weight loss - but with less chance of cardiovascular involvement (palpitations, blood pressure, heart rate, etc).

Dosage Because synephrine is but one small component of the Citrus aurantium fruit, a standardized extract is recommended. A dose of 4-20 mg of synephrine per day is a typical dose found in products providing 200-600 mg of a standardized citrus aurantium extract (3-6% synephrine).

References

1. Candelore MR, Deng L, Tota L, Guan XM, Amend A, Liu Y, Newbold R, Cascieri MA, Weber AE. Potent and selective human beta(3)-adrenergic receptor antagonists. J Pharmacol Exp Ther. 1999 Aug;290(2):649-55.

2. Carpene C, Galitzky J, Fontana E, Atgie C, Lafontan M, Berlan M. Selective activation of beta3-adrenoceptors by octopamine: comparative studies in mammalian fat cells. Naunyn Schmiedebergs Arch Pharmacol. 1999 Apr;359(4):310-21.

3. Chen X, Liu LY, Deng HW, Fang YX, Ye YW. The effects of Citrus aurantium and its active ingredient N-methyltyramine on the cardiovascular receptors. Yao Hsueh Hsueh Pao. 1981 Apr;16(4):253-9.

4. Fontana E, Morin N, Prevot D, Carpene C. Effects of octopamine on lipolysis, glucose transport and amine oxidation in mammalian fat cells. Comp Biochem Physiol C Pharmacol Toxicol Endocrinol. 2000 Jan;125(1):33-44.

5. Galitzky J, Carpene C, Bousquet-Melou A, Berlan M, Lafontan M. Differential activation of beta 1-, beta 2- and beta 3-adrenoceptors by catecholamines in white and brown adipocytes. Fundam Clin Pharmacol. 1995;9(4):324-31.

6. Galitzky J, Carpene C, Lafontan M, Berlan M. Specific stimulation of adipose tissue adrenergic beta 3 receptors by octopamine. C R Acad Sci III. 1993;316(5):519-23.

7. Hu S, Wang G. Textual studies on shangzhou zhiqiao fructus Aurantii. Chung Kuo Chung Yao Tsa Chih. 1996 Mar;21(3):137-8, 189.

8. Langin D, Portillo MP, Saulnier-Blache JS, Lafontan M. Coexistence of three beta-adrenoceptor subtypes in white fat cells of various mammalian species. Eur J Pharmacol. 1991 Jul 9;199(3):291-301.

9. Miyazawa M, Okuno Y, Fukuyama M, Nakamura S, Kosaka H. Antimutagenic activity of polymethoxyflavonoids from Citrus aurantium. J Agric Food Chem. 1999 Dec;47(12):5239-44.

10. Satoh Y, Tashiro S, Satoh M, Fujimoto Y, Xu JY, Ikekawa T. Studies on the bioactive constituents of Aurantii Fructus Immaturus. Yakugaku Zasshi. 1996 Mar;116(3):244-50.

11. Zhang ZZ, Fan CS, Huang AH. A study on the quality of fruits of Citrus aurantium L. (zhishi and Zhiqiao) produced in Jiangxi. Chung Kuo Chung Yao Tsa Chih. 1989 Sep;14(9):520-2, 573.

12. Zhao NK. Cultivation of Citrus aurantium. Chung Yao Tung Pao. 1984 Mar;9(2):56-7.
 
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Check out his link also.
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thanks........it seems to be ok..but figured i'd check on other peoples views...
 
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so far it seems to be working...im bulking up and its not burning away muscle or leaving me shaking or with speech problems like some stuff does.it gives me just anoth to make it pass two or more hours of arnold style workouts....i take just two..before workout..caffine pills cause acne on me..ripped fuel or stacker two leaves me with speech problems but this stuff seems to work nicely and it $11 bottle i'd better pick up a few bottles in case it gets banned...
 
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