Why isn't Slin Sane working for me?

thebestgopeder21 · 08-31-2009, 09:09 PM

I'm starting to get the feeling like I'm doing something wrong. Everyone claims that this stuff is amazing

I am stacking it w/ Phenadrine. And it is my 2nd week. I take one in the morning before breakfest, my phenadrine during noon time and another Slin capsule before my prework meal and 45min 1 hour before I work out.

I don't feel improved vascularity. Pumps, yeah sure I feel a little pump but nothing close to the pump I got from just Plasmajet stacked w/ Phenadrine.

I lowered carb intake one day. Another day I increased it.. And honestly felt no difference.

I eat every 3 hours. Carb heavy during morning/lunch. I don't know what else it may be. Maybe I need to give it more time..

stalion · 08-31-2009, 10:24 PM

1. supplements aren't everything
2. maybe you can talk to one of the reps in this site
3. food and more food and when you tired of eating eat again will give you the gains your looking for.

**islander** · 08-31-2009, 11:00 PM

Plasmajet sounds like the ****. How did you like it? What was your experience like?

**mitbar** · 08-31-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thebestgopeder21

I'm starting to get the feeling like I'm doing something wrong. Everyone claims that this stuff is amazing

I am stacking it w/ Phenadrine. And it is my 2nd week. I take one in the morning before breakfest, my phenadrine during noon time and another Slin capsule before my prework meal and 45min 1 hour before I work out.

I don't feel improved vascularity. Pumps, yeah sure I feel a little pump but nothing close to the pump I got from just Plasmajet stacked w/ Phenadrine.

I lowered carb intake one day. Another day I increased it.. And honestly felt no difference.

I eat every 3 hours. Carb heavy during morning/lunch. I don't know what else it may be. Maybe I need to give it more time..

whats your carb intake like? ie macros? when i took slin sane i was taking in on average 50g per meal and was eating a hour preworkout with 50g carbs....slin is a fickle supplement in the sense you have to figure out what works best for your body, trying eating closer to your workout if you can and take the pills like 6-8 hours apart if possible. let me know if this makes sense or if you have more questions.

Chimera · 08-31-2009, 11:19 PM

Maybe you are expecting too much from a supplement as well. Keep at it, you will get to be where you want to in no time!

**islander** · 09-01-2009, 12:35 AM

I think supps are sorta like movies. You hear/read 'oh **** its great'...the more you hear the better it sounds get all hyped up but when you actually do it you like meh...sometimes.

**T.O** · 09-01-2009, 01:15 AM

Whats your diet like? What kind and how much carbs are you using? Whats you body fat at? All logs have been consistant however we have said many times before that the one down fall from this product is that you have to tweak to how your body is going to best utilize the product. These are not secret ingredients so knowing how they work will help yield maximum benifits.

For 1 the product works with raising insulin and what makes this product safe to continue using is that the insulin spikes and comes back down quick enough so that there are not side effects like high BP for example. Knowing that taking the product 45 min pre workout may be to much of a gap to feel the pump or vascular feelling of the product during workouts. Try dosing it close maybe 30-15 min. Also what source of carb are you using pre workout. Just want to clarify that the pumps are a side effect of the product doing its job. Over all stacked with the Phenadrine, how is your bodies composition. I mean are you losing weight, tightening up? Thanks bro Here to help as always.

**projecthatch92** · 09-01-2009, 02:55 AM

Good advice from mitbar and TO. I tried this product, and you need to keep experimenting with it. I think that the timing with this product is key. I took each dose with at least 40 grams of complex carbs, and 6-8 hours apart, as stated earlier.

**Moro** · 09-01-2009, 03:33 AM

I felt i had the best results (i reported this is my log) that i felt better eating 90-120g of complex carb and about 50g of sugar eating about 45mins away from my workout and dosing twice a day,

Everybody is different but i highly recommend 60g+ of complex carb

HiMet4590 · 09-02-2009, 12:18 AM

You gotta understand how much better a nutrient pump from a nutrient partioner is than useless vasilidation from an N.O.(plasmajet). The pump your getting now is super jumpstarting your recovery where as an NO pump just makes you look good in the mirror during your workout but does nothing for recovery.

When i was on nutrient partioners i was eating around 100g complex carbs preworkout with no sugars added....i found my best preworkout meal was cream of wheat and egg whites, got a hella pump from that...ate it about 45 minutes before my training

another thing i'd recommend is drinking a tall glass of water before eating your slin-sane meal

GENOMYX · 09-02-2009, 12:32 AM

^^^Great post. You know your stuff.

**mitbar** · 09-02-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HiMet4590

You gotta understand how much better a nutrient pump from a nutrient partioner is than useless vasilidation from an N.O.(plasmajet). The pump your getting now is super jumpstarting your recovery where as an NO pump just makes you look good in the mirror during your workout but does nothing for recovery.

When i was on nutrient partioners i was eating around 100g complex carbs preworkout with no sugars added....i found my best preworkout meal was cream of wheat and egg whites, got a hella pump from that...ate it about 45 minutes before my training

another thing i'd recommend is drinking a tall glass of water before eating your slin-sane meal

great post reps coming.

**islander** · 09-02-2009, 01:53 AM

I didnt think NOs were just for a 'useless' pump. It was to carry blood, oxygen and nutrients to the muscles to help recovery. Never heard of a 'nutrient pump' sounds good tho! Ill go look it up.

ok couldnt find a whole lot other then people selling stuff but heres what I found for nutrient partitioners for anybody else who hasnt heard of them.

Bodybuilding.com - Twin Peak - Back To The Basics: Supplementation!
Nutrient Partitioners

This, my friends, is the future of supplements. Few companies have realized this, however, so outside of Avant Labs' products (the LeptiGen series, SesaThin - I told you this stuff was mandatory - PhenoGen, and even H.E.A.T. Stack) you will be hard pressed to find supplements that impact nutrient partitioning. There are, however, a number of compounds that are cost-effective nutrient partitioners.
Perhaps I should first explain "nutrient partitioning." After all, this is a Back to the Basics article. Nutrient partitioning is the term used to describe how both macro and micronutrients are shuttled to the cells (both fat cells and muscle cells). The nutrients you consume at any given time are sent in part to muscle and in part to fat.

Think of nutrients in the blood traveling down a two-lane highway. The nutrients then come to a fork - one direction leads to fat tissue and the other to muscle tissue. Different folks have different natural partitioning levels. Mesomorphs, for example, tend to have a very high percentage of the nutrients they consume going down the muscle route.

Indeed, one of the main ways anabolic steroids impart their effects is through improved nutrient partitioning -- if you can increase the percentage of the nutrients and calories that go to muscle as opposed to fat, you will increase anabolism, reduce fat, and thus positively affect body-composition.

Again, there is currently no over the counter magic bullet, but there are a number of compounds that can subtly improve nutrient partitioning and in combination, over the long haul, can have significant effects on body-composition.

The best of the best in terms of improved nutrient partitioning includes, in no particular order:

The Best Improved Nutrient Partitioning Products
Ephedrine
SesaThin
Fish oil
Creatine
BCAAs (particularly l-leucine)
ALCAR (acetyl-l-carnitine)
DHEA
Tyramine
7-OH/7-oxo-DHEA
Lecithin
Other Improved Nutrient Partitioning Products
(If You Have The Time & Energy)
NAC
l-tyrosine
calcium
synephrine
inulin
GPA
Green Tea extract
Salvia Mittz
There are few products designed as nutrient partitioners, let alone effective ones. LeptiGen MASS is perhaps the single best partitioner on the market - that is what it is designed for - lean bulking by positively effecting nutrient partitioning (therefore you need to eat less to do a bulk proper).

**T.O** · 09-02-2009, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by islander

I didnt think NOs were just for a 'useless' pump. It was to carry blood, oxygen and nutrients to the muscles to help recovery. Never heard of a 'nutrient pump' sounds good tho! Ill go look it up.

ok couldnt find a whole lot other then people selling stuff but heres what I found for nutrient partitioners for anybody else who hasnt heard of them.

Bodybuilding.com - Twin Peak - Back To The Basics: Supplementation!
Nutrient Partitioners

This, my friends, is the future of supplements. Few companies have realized this, however, so outside of Avant Labs' products (the LeptiGen series, SesaThin - I told you this stuff was mandatory - PhenoGen, and even H.E.A.T. Stack) you will be hard pressed to find supplements that impact nutrient partitioning. There are, however, a number of compounds that are cost-effective nutrient partitioners.
Perhaps I should first explain "nutrient partitioning." After all, this is a Back to the Basics article. Nutrient partitioning is the term used to describe how both macro and micronutrients are shuttled to the cells (both fat cells and muscle cells). The nutrients you consume at any given time are sent in part to muscle and in part to fat.

Think of nutrients in the blood traveling down a two-lane highway. The nutrients then come to a fork - one direction leads to fat tissue and the other to muscle tissue. Different folks have different natural partitioning levels. Mesomorphs, for example, tend to have a very high percentage of the nutrients they consume going down the muscle route.

Indeed, one of the main ways anabolic steroids impart their effects is through improved nutrient partitioning -- if you can increase the percentage of the nutrients and calories that go to muscle as opposed to fat, you will increase anabolism, reduce fat, and thus positively affect body-composition.

Again, there is currently no over the counter magic bullet, but there are a number of compounds that can subtly improve nutrient partitioning and in combination, over the long haul, can have significant effects on body-composition.

The best of the best in terms of improved nutrient partitioning includes, in no particular order:

The Best Improved Nutrient Partitioning Products
Ephedrine
SesaThin
Fish oil
Creatine
BCAAs (particularly l-leucine)
ALCAR (acetyl-l-carnitine)
DHEA
Tyramine
7-OH/7-oxo-DHEA
Lecithin
Other Improved Nutrient Partitioning Products
(If You Have The Time & Energy)
NAC
l-tyrosine
calcium
synephrine
inulin
GPA
Green Tea extract
Salvia Mittz
There are few products designed as nutrient partitioners, let alone effective ones. LeptiGen MASS is perhaps the single best partitioner on the market - that is what it is designed for - lean bulking by positively effecting nutrient partitioning (therefore you need to eat less to do a bulk proper).

yeah NO's are good for vasodialation to help carry more oxygen and nutrients to the muslces. the nutrient pump would be from like extra glucose hitting your muscles.

**islander** · 09-02-2009, 02:15 AM

Still dont quite understand the difference. They seem like two different things. They both travel threw your blood, things in that list have more of a tendency to travel towards muscle then fat so benefit you more? (not getting into fat soluble vitamins) My thought is most of us have those things in our systems anyways like bcaas, fish oil, other things that come in other supps so when we take a NO its expanding or relaxing or whatever it does blood vessles so blood and oxyegn and those things already in our systems make it to the muscle even more. lol Im pretty tried hope that makes sense. Just threw me off hearing someone say nos are useless. Seems like a NO would help in nutrient partitioning?

**T.O** · 09-02-2009, 02:25 AM

The intial pump you get is from the extra blood hitting your musles from a NO product since it makes your veins bigger allowing more blood to flow therefore allowing more nutrients to enter. A product like slin sane gives you a more prounced insulin spike allowing more nutrients to hit your muscles also but not necessarly only when working out.

**islander** · 09-02-2009, 02:28 AM

ya I got the first part down. but nooow im wondering how does a insulin spike allow more nutrients to hit your muscles? hehehe i feel like annoying little kid, why, how, why, why, why

**T.O** · 09-02-2009, 02:33 AM

lol its all good islander.

ok so a bigger insulin or more insulin spikes would allow more nutrients to be produced per say right? so then that would allow them to hit your muscles or allow more glucose than usual to hit your muscles than a NO product or no product at all. i hope that makes sense lol.

**islander** · 09-02-2009, 02:42 AM

ahhh glucose=nutrient!? of course, a muscle nutrient. I kept thinking nutrient= like an amnio... I was like how does a insulin spike make nutrients... Thanks TO

**T.O** · 09-02-2009, 02:43 AM

hahah no prob

PumpDogg · 09-02-2009, 06:07 PM

Ok guys Im going to keep this one going then.. So what is the major difference between using a product like P-slin or Anabolic pump??

As I understand they are very similar in how they deal with insulin, but I am wondering which one would be best suited for an individual like myself..

I have the old endo body type and while I will gain fat easily, I seem to gain muscle pretty well also./. That may have something to do with all the years I cycled, * muscle memory*?? but I know I gain both with ease and have a hard ass time not eating carbs once I get down towards single digit bodyfat numbers.. I literally feel like I am starving 24/7..

I have two more weeks of working out like I am ( will be 1 month back in the gym after 6 months off ) and then I want to add one of these products to help shed the fat but be able to eat more carbs??

Sorry for the thread hijack bro

**T.O** · 09-02-2009, 06:42 PM

slin sane will allow you to do this pretty well, you will be able to shed fat while put on muscle acutally. i believe mike40 had a log going on it and he was cutting. he had to tweak his macros but was able to cut down nicely while on slin sane.

**mikeh40+** · 09-03-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by T.O

slin sane will allow you to do this pretty well, you will be able to shed fat while put on muscle acutally. i believe mike40 had a log going on it and he was cutting. he had to tweak his macros but was able to cut down nicely while on slin sane which is similar to anabolic pump.

guess its time i chime in here since i was mentioned,

yes in the first couple of post it was stated that slin sane is a finicky supplement, very true,,

here is a run down on my run,
first i started using more carbs on my cut diet, about 270 g`s a day, taking the slin sane i added about 10lbs in the first week, and it was NOT muscle, the issue for me was using dextrose post workout in conjunction with my daily complex carbs, In my thinking the insulin spike post workout along with the slin sane should make a dramatic difference, oh yea it did alright, but my body added fat,, could be my age, or I may be more sensitive to the insulin spike, very frustrating indeed,

what I had to do was revamp my diet in accordance with my OWN bodys ability to utilize carbs along with my work and training schedule,
once i adjusted my diet, by cutting out all simple carbs and lowering my daily intake down to 200g complex only it made all the difference, not only did i loose the extra 10lb of fat, but i ended up adding some muscle gains as well,
as a nutrient partitioner this product is simply that, dont look at it as a NO or muscle pump kind of product, instead its a long term supplement to aid in better utilizing your daily intake of food,

vascularity will either come with a lower bf level or you may just have the body type that your veins are not as noticeable than others, for me my forearms and right bicep have always shown nice veins,

pumps are something that you will get or should achieve on your workouts no matter if your taking a supplement or not, blood will always pump into your muscles,, and Plasmajet is the bomb when it comes to a extreme pump, which is what it is designed for,

best bet is figure out whats working on a weekly schedule, not from day to day,, if you drop your carbs one day then increase them the next you will have no idea if its the drop or the increase that is making the difference, stay consistent on a weekly basis with your foods so you know that its not something you added here or there that is doing the trick, it took me 2 weeks to figure out what i needed to do while i was using slin sane, and in conjunction with phenadrine it was one of the best stacks i used for overall bf loss and keeping muscle on my cut,,

hope some of this helps, its a bit long winded, but i wanted to touch on so many things,, I would also say that adding plasmajet back into your stack along with the phenadrine and slin sane should give you one hell of a workout pump...

GRAVESY079 · 09-03-2009, 10:26 PM

the first day i used slin sane was on a back work out and had like no carbs and still felt great, nice pumps, veins where popping. Now i save it for my times surrrounding my refeed.
(keto diet)
This stuff I thnk would work wonders on a TKD. Something Ihave been thinking about, for I may use it as a transition diet, once i get down low bf%, to reintroduce more carbs in my diet. But i still got to go down,lol, I have penty as i got hooked up during the sale from Orbit Nutrition. So it should laast when taking only 2x maybe 3x a week. Or could work well for some one on a ckd with two 24-48hrs of carbing, or the BodyOpus style, for those two days to get a hell of a rush.
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Also remember not everybody is the same when i comes to supplements. What might be someone's Holy Grail of Sup, may do jack for someone else.
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GENOMYX · 09-04-2009, 12:48 AM

Wow look forward to hearing more on your progress with this product. You are absolutely correct about supplements affecting others in different ways. I mean look at caffeine for example. No doubt that its stimulant properties do what it's said to do however there are still people who are more tolerant and don’t feel the same boost that most others would.