Havoc

r00k13 · 08-20-2009, 11:08 PM

first of all is it a good product? i bought it but my friend told me that i had to take some liver pills and some other stuff but never told me what else to take in order for my organs not to mess up in the future as much? appreciate the help

**mitbar** · 08-20-2009, 11:43 PM

get cycle support or cycle assist it has everything you need in it. one is made by anabolic innovations and the other made by CEL. What do you have lined up for a pct?

r00k13 · 08-20-2009, 11:49 PM

im not really sure my friend just told me to buy it with some liver pills and like i said before some other stuff but never explained it well so i need all the help i need as for pct and things to take while im on havoc

**mitbar** · 08-21-2009, 12:04 AM

the cycle assist has everything you need to take while on havoc. realistically you need something to get your testosterone kicked back into gear for pct, you would need a serm to get this done correctly. you could also look into novadex xt by gaspari if you cant get a hold of a serm.

r00k13 · 08-21-2009, 01:33 AM

if i took this would i get tested positive on a drug test?

stalion · 08-21-2009, 07:41 AM

dude way to young to be fooling around with pro hormones be careful with what you do.

deeturnerjr72 · 08-21-2009, 09:17 AM

Gotta love when kids get into these supps and dont have a clue as to how its gonna screw them up at their age, or even how to properly use it. Leave it alone dude, your waaaay to young.

**mitbar** · 08-21-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stalion

dude way to young to be fooling around with pro hormones be careful with what you do.

oh wow i didnt even look at his age....yeah bro i dont advise you to take them at all. you need to be over 21 to take the havoc bro.

**HawaiianPride.** · 08-21-2009, 12:40 PM

Gosh Mit who the heck voted you V.I.P. your a horrible person for doing this to a child! hahahaa just pullin your leg my friend.

stalion · 08-21-2009, 12:54 PM

lol almost chocked on my pre workout meal haha

**HawaiianPride.** · 08-21-2009, 12:56 PM

HAHA.

**mitbar** · 08-21-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Gosh Mit who the heck voted you V.I.P. your a horrible person for doing this to a child! hahahaa just pullin your leg my friend.

hahahahahahahaha i know right lol

SpargelJanusz · 08-23-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by deeturnerjr72

Gotta love when kids get into these supps and dont have a clue as to how its gonna screw them up at their age, or even how to properly use it. Leave it alone dude, your waaaay to young.

Well said, sadly pretty much useless though as those kids are to be found on all boards, trying to get advice on which steroid to use when their bench press is stuck at 140 lbs and comparable nonsense. And the only proper advice - the one you gave - is not what they want to hear, they'll take the stuff anyhow.

As a general rule, though, the support supps are no guarantee you won't mess up liver enzymes badly.

boxing750 · 08-31-2009, 01:02 PM

im a little confused on why you would need cycle assist or support while on havoc? From what i had read it wasn't anything to strong and didn't need any support but that pct was optional?

**HawaiianPride.** · 08-31-2009, 01:08 PM

It's a methyl compound. Anything methyl is bad on your liver.

**mitbar** · 08-31-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by boxing750

im a little confused on why you would need cycle assist or support while on havoc? From what i had read it wasn't anything to strong and didn't need any support but that pct was optional?

Just as HP said its gotta pass through your liver so support supps will help keep damage down along with help keep BP and cholesterol down.

PumpDogg · 08-31-2009, 04:57 PM

I personally think the orals are rougher on your lipids and BP than your liver.. I know some guys end up with liver issue while on the methylated orals, however I honestly feel that all the negative rap they get is over exaggerated..

I in NO WAY say that to encourage that young teen.. OH HELL NO< I am totally against him using, I am just referring to the wide spread thoughts that you take an oral for 6 weeks and your liver is screaming..

boxing750 · 08-31-2009, 05:05 PM

would you say that it has a stronger effect then or that it is suppose to give better results? I'm 22 and am also looking for maybe another anabolic for me and something alot safer for my brother. I liked the feeling of adrenaline rush i used to get on stuff from A.E but i also got really sick so i should've researched more before taking them but i did see great results

but it also scared the **** outta me when i got sick.

**mitbar** · 08-31-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PumpDogg

I personally think the orals are rougher on your lipids and BP than your liver.. I know some guys end up with liver issue while on the methylated orals, however I honestly feel that all the negative rap they get is over exaggerated..

I in NO WAY say that to encourage that young teen.. OH HELL NO< I am totally against him using, I am just referring to the wide spread thoughts that you take an oral for 6 weeks and your liver is screaming..

i would have to say that it could be over played but its best to be safe than sorry imo.

**mitbar** · 08-31-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by boxing750

would you say that it has a stronger effect then or that it is suppose to give better results? I'm 22 and am also looking for maybe another anabolic for me and something alot safer for my brother. I liked the feeling of adrenaline rush i used to get on stuff from A.E but i also got really sick so i should've researched more before taking them but i did see great results

but it also scared the **** outta me when i got sick.

havoc is the most mild ph you will find and safest...its when you get into the products with two or three methyls in it is when you have to make sure to cover your bases with cycle support to protect your lipids bp and liver.

musicmann89 · 09-01-2009, 12:50 PM

look into epioplex, wait to your a little older and do lots of research on these substances