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Old 08-18-2009, 06:25 AM   #1
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OK, here's the thing, I'm 25 yrs old. Worked at a gym for 3 yrs, lifted hard for the past 10 at least. I'm not as big as I want to be and no where near as cut as I want to be. I had some buddies buy me some stuff, here's what they got me.

Lipo-6 (Fat Burner)
Altered State (N.O.)
Creadex (Creatine)
NO Explode (Pre-workout drink)
T-Bomb (Test Booster)
Gakic
Leukic
Aplodan
Animal Pak
Freak Fix Muscle Whey (Protein)
L-Glutemine powder

Pesonally, I think this is excess. Do I need all this stuff? I didn't pay for it, but I know it's not cheap. What's all this stuff do? Is there stuff I can get rid of? Is there stuff that I'm missing that I should have? Please give me some guidance, hopefully from someone that has some experience with supplements.
 
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Old 08-18-2009, 08:45 AM   #2
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I would say its nice for your mates to buy you these sups, but me personally i wouldnt go near many of them. N.O. explode in my opinion is crap, Animal pak (i presume you mean the amino tablets), way over priced. Drop the glutamine too. Gakic and leukic arent they muscletech supplements. Most of these sups in my opinion are way over priced, Lipo - 6 is good though and altered state and N.O. are the same thing i think. I would say research these a little more to find out foryourself what you need to take and what you dont or wait for a more experienced member to give advice.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:07 AM   #3
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OK, here's the thing, I'm 25 yrs old. Worked at a gym for 3 yrs, lifted hard for the past 10 at least. I'm not as big as I want to be and no where near as cut as I want to be. I had some buddies buy me some stuff, here's what they got me.

Lipo-6 (Fat Burner)
Altered State (N.O.)
Creadex (Creatine)
N.O. Explode (Pre-workout drink)
T-Bomb (Test Booster)
Gakic
Leukic
Aplodan
Animal Pak
Freak Fix Muscle Whey (Protein)
L-Glutemine powder

Pesonally, I think this is excess. Do I need all this stuff? I didn't pay for it, but I know it's not cheap. What's all this stuff do? Is there stuff I can get rid of? Is there stuff that I'm missing that I should have? Please give me some guidance, hopefully from someone that has some experience with supplements.
That is pretty excessive. Granted you not having to pay for it is nice, but you still don't need it. Basic supplements that most swear by are

Whey
Creatine Mono
Multivitamin
Fish Oil
BCAA

If you're looking to lose weight, you can throw a fat burner into the mix after you have your diet in check.

Also you can probably look up most of the products you have on either Orbit Nutrition or Nutraplanet to get a basic description.
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:36 AM   #4
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Yeah most of those are product you take once you have the basics like posted above. Ill take it though if someone is paying for it :) But when it coes down for you to pay make sure to have all the basics first before trying to switch things up.
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Aplodan, hell no. Stick to your diet, and use whey protein, casein protein, creatine, multivitamin, and lecine+dextrose after your workouts. You will beast out in no time.
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Aplodan, hell no. Stick to your diet, and use whey protein, casein protein, creatine, multivitamin, and lecine+dextrose after your workouts. You will beast out in no time.
hahahaha i like that saying "beast out"
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Take most of that crap back except for the stuff noted above and go buy some steaks with it.
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OK, here's the thing, I'm 25 yrs old. Worked at a gym for 3 yrs, lifted hard for the past 10 at least. I'm not as big as I want to be and no where near as cut as I want to be. I had some buddies buy me some stuff, here's what they got me.

Lipo-6 (Fat Burner)
Altered State (N.O.)
Creadex (Creatine)
N.O. Explode (Pre-workout drink)
T-Bomb (Test Booster)
Gakic
Leukic
Aplodan
Animal Pak
Freak Fix Muscle Whey (Protein)
L-Glutemine powder

Pesonally, I think this is excess. Do I need all this stuff? I didn't pay for it, but I know it's not cheap. What's all this stuff do? Is there stuff I can get rid of? Is there stuff that I'm missing that I should have? Please give me some guidance, hopefully from someone that has some experience with supplements.
I wish my friends were that generous!

Anything with muscletech on the label is full of sugar and will go a long way in inhibiting your cut. Choose to either use a NO product or a creatine product but not both. Studies have shown that the caffeine in NO and other preworkout products inhibits the uptake of creatine. Other than that, a protein powder is always good and i personally rate glutamine because it helps out with my immune system but ppl will argue that point forever and a day.

The basics have been outlined for you above. Take your pick.
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hey fellas anyadvice on what BCAA is and what it does?
 
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What are BCAAs?

Amino acids, as you probably know are the building blocks of protein, which in turn are the building blocks of muscle. Research has revealed that certain amino acids –specifically, the branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs) maintain your muscle mass and strength during times of physical stress and intense workouts, all while preventing fatigue during exercise. The BCAAs: leucine, isoleucine and valine, are three essential amino acids. The ‘branched chain’ designation refers to their unique chemical structure. The ‘essential’ terminology indicates that your body cannot make them, so they must be obtained from the diet. The combination of these three BCAA’s makes up approximately 1/3 of skeletal muscle in the human body.

What do BCAAs do?

The BCAAs are of special importance to any nutrition program because they are not broken down in the liver but rather by-pass the liver and are transported directly to the muscle. Once in the muscle they play a significant role in transforming the body into a muscle building factory by influencing various aspects of muscle metabolism. Aside from playing an important role in protein synthesis, the BCAAs provide extra energy during heavy lifting, help spare muscle tissue and fight mental brain drain as you battle through a workout. The BCAAs unlike many other amino acids can also be used as fuel, producing energy to support your muscles during prolonged, intense exercise.

How do BCAAs prevent muscle loss?

The BCAAs reduce protein breakdown (catabolism), by stimulating the release of insulin. Insulin we know is an anabolic hormone usually associated with building various energy molecules in the body (glycogen and triglycerides). However, research has also shown that insulin plays a very important role in preventing the breakdown of muscle following periods of physical stress, such as after weight-lifting and running, thereby preserving muscle mass.

How do BCAAs aid in muscle growth?

BCAAs and particularly leucine, have anabolic (muscle-building) abilities by influencing various signalling cascades and chemical signals that activate protein synthesis. Through phosphyorylaton of mTOR (a key regulator of cell growth and protein synthesis), the BCAAs transforms the body into a muscle building machine. In simple terms, the body is switched into an anabolic state, using available amino acids to build protein and hard dense muscle. Therefore, to obtain the greatest benefit from BCAA supplements you must ensure that you are obtaining enough protein from your diet to support your increased ability to grow.

How do BCAA aid in mental fatigue and performance?

BCAAs are known to have a positive effect on mood and mental function in endurance athletes. Although limited, research supports the idea that the BCAAs can decrease serotonin in the brain (serotonin can cause a sense of tiredness), thereby lowering mental fatigue keeping one mentally sharp during prolonged endurance exercise.

Do I get enough BCAAs from the protein I eat?

Dairy and red meat contain the greatest amounts of BCAAs. Other sources include whey protein and egg protein. Although, they are present in all protein containing foods, there is a definite advantage supplementing your diet with additional BCAAs, especially before or after training in order to obtain the greatest benefit from these exceptional amino acids have on muscle building.

Who should take them?

Bodybuilders, athletes, serious weight trainers who workout regularly, and endurance athletes who regularly compete in aerobic events such as running, cycling or swimming will benefit from supplementing with BCAA.

How much should I take, when and how often?

BCAAs can be taken at anytime during the day, preferably on an empty stomach to avoid competition for absorption with other amino acids. Although, the most beneficial time to take BCAAs is directly before training. An acute dose of BCAA probably won’t directly boost endurance during a competitive event but taking 7-10 grams before strenuous workouts will produce beneficial long-term effects in the serious athlete.
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Old 08-19-2009, 12:14 PM   #11
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I'd go with:
1. A multivitamin
2. Creatine
3. Protein Powder

If you want to be cut, and ECA stack will help--but it ultimately comes down to diet.

If you want to be bigger, be sure you are eating enough calories. But you probably can't work on both goals at once--not after training for 3 years (new trainees sometimes gain muscle and lose fat at the same time).
 
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Old 08-26-2009, 09:32 AM   #12
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Thanks for the advice, I've cut the crap out of my stack and I'm already seeing the changes.
 
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