[apurplehaze08]

What up guys, I'm looking for some advice. I've read all of the great reviews of the asteroid stack from USP labs and want to give it a go. However, before spending $150, I would like to run just one of the three and see what kind of results I get. So obviously the question is which one would be most benificial by itself? Prime, Powerfull, or Anabolic Pump? ( I'm already using Jacked)
-19yrs old
-160 lbs

If there's any other info that you guys could use to help me decide let me know! Here's some recent pics too.

[A-Ron21]

Neither. Buy food. You are 19, none of them will really do anything, your testosterone is the highest its going to be for the rest of your life. Save your money for college.

[apurplehaze08]

-I've got all the food I can eat
-Only Powerfull is somewhat of a test booster
-College is paid for

Have you tried Prime or Anabolic Pump?

[A-Ron21]

No, because I doubt they do anything. Dude, you need to realize that this stuff barely does anything, its not evaluated by the FDA so who really knows if its affecting your hormones or not, AND your testosterone is so high you don't need any of it.

How about this dude - Try this - I think you will gain more weight if you take 3g of leucine and 35g of dextrose after your workouts in one month than if you take any of the stuff you mentioned before.

Its very cheap, and lasts you a long time. I started doing that and have gained 8lbs in a little over a month. You take the leucine and dextrose immediately following your workout, followed by your regular protein shake 15 minutes later.

[apurplehaze08]

I use xtend, which has the leucine. And I've been putting some chocolate syrup in my PWO shakes for the simple sugar. Would it be much better to switch to a plain dextrose supp? Which dextrose do you use?

[T.O]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

No, because I doubt they do anything. Dude, you need to realize that this stuff barely does anything, its not evaluated by the FDA so who really knows if its affecting your hormones or not, AND your testosterone is so high you don't need any of it.

How about this dude - Try this - I think you will gain more weight if you take 3g of leucine and 35g of dextrose after your workouts in one month than if you take any of the stuff you mentioned before.

Its very cheap, and lasts you a long time. I started doing that and have gained 8lbs in a little over a month. You take the leucine and dextrose immediately following your workout, followed by your regular protein shake 15 minutes later.

I think you should try a supplement before you knock it bro. I know you mean well but hes not asking for your take on if he should eat more food instead of taking supplements. YOUR responding to a questions hes asking in the supplement forum about a companys products that a lot of people have had good results with. Further more they are sponsors here at this forum and are well respected for a reason. Lets show some respect especialy for the companys that help support bodybuilding dungeon and keep it going.

[T.O]

Originally Posted by apurplehaze08

-I've got all the food I can eat
-Only Powerfull is somewhat of a test booster
-College is paid for

Have you tried Prime or Anabolic Pump?

Hey bro there all three quality products most people on here have had good results and maybe a few have not cared for it but Powerful is great and so is Anabolic Pump. If I had to choose which one not to take I would go with the prime for your age but the Anabolic Pump which is a good food partitioning product will help a lot. Look for sales we offer for 118 and every first week of the month we offer 10% off so just an FYI. But they all 3 do work well together

[ericpad]

Originally Posted by apurplehaze08

What up guys, I'm looking for some advice. I've read all of the great reviews of the asteroid stack from USP labs and want to give it a go. However, before spending $150, I would like to run just one of the three and see what kind of results I get. So obviously the question is which one would be most benificial by itself? Prime, Powerfull, or Anabolic Pump? ( I'm already using Jacked)
-19yrs old
-160 lbs

If there's any other info that you guys could use to help me decide let me know! Here's some recent pics too.

I would give powerfull a run by itself as it's a great product. Personally, I ran the full asteroid stack for about 6 weeks and it did very little for me. My diet and training were in good shape.

Read some of the reviews on the products too . . .you'll find that the results are really hit or miss. And given how expensive they are I would definitely take that into consideration.

Jack3d is a great product as is powerfull.

Take a look at the following few products if you're looking for natural anabolic products . . .

Controlled Labs Blue Gene - I love this product definitely works well for recovery, energy, strength gains.

Applied Nutricuticals Drive - Again . .this product is awesome for recovery, energy, and strength gains.

Anabolic Xtreme mass fx - Never tried this one personally but have read good things about it.

Hope this helps!

Eric

[spritz0]

TOO YOUNG for T-booster, just use a lot of multi-source protein shakes and get your diet right, you probably need to eat a lot more proteins and veggies! When I was your age I was in the Army, so you need to know what your carb, protein, and fat sources are in your daily intake- I got a paperback inexpensive book called a "Calorie Counter" and that REALLY taught me about nutrition at a young age!

[apurplehaze08]

I'm not looking for a T-booster! Was I under the wrong impression to assume that that this stack is all natural, and safe for under 21? I've read that countless times here on the board from those who are USP reps.
Again, the question is which is most effective when used in the absence of the other two. I am not asking for nutrition advice, money advice, or any other kind of advice you may think I need after making assumptions about my life and my training. Thanks T.O. for the great response.

[terpsfb]

I agree that you don't need a t-booster. The only way to increase your test is to inject, I believe that taking a test booster will help if you have lower test than normal, but if you're already normal there's no point. The best thing for you is creatine, BCAA, carbs, protein, multi, fish oil. I'd rather spend my money on that first, maybe a pre workout supp like spike or something.

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by T.O

I think you should try a supplement before you knock it bro. I know you mean well but hes not asking for your take on if he should eat more food instead of taking supplements. YOUR responding to a questions hes asking in the supplement forum about a companys products that a lot of people have had good results with. Further more they are sponsors here at this forum and are well respected for a reason. Lets show some respect especialy for the companys that help support bodybuilding dungeon and keep it going.

I'm not disrespecting the companies that sponsor the forum. I'm telling him, that in terms of actually gaining measurable lean mass, that I feel that he is better off sticking to a good diet. Just because the companies sponsor the forum doesn't mean that I need to endorse their products by any means.

I'm giving him MY honest opinion for a 19 year old kid. Nobody is paying me anything to endorse their products, and I'm not going to recommend anything that I don't think works.

[apurplehaze08]

Heres the deal:
-I'm not getting Powerfull b/c I dont want to mess with test levels
-I cant reasonably understand what the hell Prime actually is
Quote from BB.com;
"How does USPLabs Prime work? This is an interesting question. Because we found no evidence for androgenic activity, we believe it to have anti-glucocorticoid effects, providing a possible mechanism for the increase muscle mass seen with USPLabs Prime. It may also be something related to improved nutrient absorption or utilization."
Didnt take much thought after reading this to conclude that I dont want to ingest this substance that the maker doesnt even know how it works
-Anabolic Pump, this is the one I was leaning towards from the start. I'm still game for this one.

[T.O]

[QUOTE=A-Ron21;689260]No, because I doubt they do anything. Dude, you need to realize that this stuff barely does anything, QUOTE]

Read your qote above enough said. Wheres your proof, wheres your logs that lead you to think they might not work. They have countless logs and done on many types of users. Thats my point. Just like me telling you that I doubt you gained 8lbs in a little over a month almost equal to a pro hormone cycle without knowing anything about you or tracking your progress.

My point is if Member especialy VIP keep coming into the SUPPLEMENT section and bashing other products based on your "opinion" than why should any companies sponsor here and why should new members feel comfortable about asking for help regarding supplements when the automatic response is eat food, stuff doesnt work, you dont need it. Mind you those are not all thre test boosters. But I bet you didnt know that did you?

I dont think any one asked for you to sponsor, or be apart of any of the companies named just doesnt make sense to say something might not work if have never tried it or dont even know what the three do independently. Im done respond if you want dont want this to go on more than it has already.

[T.O]

Originally Posted by apurplehaze08

I'm not looking for a T-booster! Was I under the wrong impression to assume that that this stack is all natural, and safe for under 21? I've read that countless times here on the board from those who are USP reps.
Again, the question is which is most effective when used in the absence of the other two. I am not asking for nutrition advice, money advice, or any other kind of advice you may think I need after making assumptions about my life and my training. Thanks T.O. for the great response.

No problem dude and you are correct. They are not all three test boosters. Thats why I thinl for now perhaps the prime can be done without. Powerfull does help and Anabolic Pump would be a great stand alone product. Just make sure to take with carbs.

[T.O]

Originally Posted by terpsfb

I agree that you don't need a t-booster. The only way to increase your test is to inject, I believe that taking a test booster will help if you have lower test than normal, but if you're already normal there's no point. The best thing for you is creatine, BCAA, carbs, protein, multi, fish oil. I'd rather spend my money on that first, maybe a pre workout supp like spike or something.

I agree with you in that the bases should be covered in the list you have mentioned. Before experimenting any new product including NO number 1 Diet should be in check, work outs consistant (Depending on goal) and basic supplements based on what is missing from your DIET . Then if you got some extra cash than why not unless you personaly choose not to. Great post.

[T.O]

Originally Posted by apurplehaze08

What up guys, I'm looking for some advice. I've read all of the great reviews of the asteroid stack from USP labs and want to give it a go. However, before spending $150, I would like to run just one of the three and see what kind of results I get. So obviously the question is which one would be most benificial by itself? Prime, Powerfull, or Anabolic Pump? ( I'm already using Jacked)
-19yrs old
-160 lbs

If there's any other info that you guys could use to help me decide let me know! Here's some recent pics too.

By the way dude based on your pics you look like you do have a solid base for 19. Keep at it

[apurplehaze08]

Thanks

[A-Ron21]

[QUOTE=T.O;689490]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

No, because I doubt they do anything. Dude, you need to realize that this stuff barely does anything, QUOTE]

Read your qote above enough said. Wheres your proof, wheres your logs that lead you to think they might not work. They have countless logs and done on many types of users. Thats my point. Just like me telling you that I doubt you gained 8lbs in a little over a month almost equal to a pro hormone cycle without knowing anything about you or tracking your progress.

My point is if Member especialy VIP keep coming into the SUPPLEMENT section and bashing other products based on your "opinion" than why should any companies sponsor here and why should new members feel comfortable about asking for help regarding supplements when the automatic response is eat food, stuff doesnt work, you dont need it. Mind you those are not all thre test boosters. But I bet you didnt know that did you?

I dont think any one asked for you to sponsor, or be apart of any of the companies named just doesnt make sense to say something might not work if have never tried it or dont even know what the three do independently. Im done respond if you want dont want this to go on more than it has already.

Look man, you guys voted me as a VIP. My above statement is NOT bashing the product. I just don't think its worth it for him. I never signed a contract saying that I have to promote products because I'm a VIP.

I don't really care if you doubt my weight gain or not, because that's not the point of this discussion. I like how you try to infer that I'm using prohormones to gain weight, as if that's supposed to be a bad thing. Nice try.

I'm not making anyone feel uncomfortable. If anything, I would feel MORE uncomfortable when someone just immediately pressures the person to buy it. Am I supposed to be a salesperson? If you want me to, pay me. Otherwise be quiet; because I can state my opinion as is.

Furthermore, I like how you tell me that those products don't affect your hormones, yet as purplehaze just quoted they don't even know how it works themselves. How am I supposed to tell a 19 year old that its not going do anything to his hormones? I know a little bit about hormones, and I can't tell him that it doesn't if I don't know for sure.

Plus, I don't trust any research done by scientists working for the company. Plenty of grad students have fudged data because they need to complete a project. You show me a study from the WHO or the NIH, then I'll trust it completely.

You're done responding? Is this a daytime soap opera? I don't feel like its as dramatic as it sounds.

[T.O]

Wow dude you totaly took some stuff wrong there. Alright man you win I got work to do.

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by T.O

Wow dude you totaly took some stuff wrong there. Alright man you win I got work to do.

I don't think I took anything wrong, I think I defended my views reasonably well.

[T.O]

You got it.

[mitbar]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

I don't think I took anything wrong, I think I defended my views reasonably well.

wow dude you flew off the handle there a little bit, you ok bro? have you done studys on supplements and broken down there structures as well as bioavailablity? prob not so you have no room to say they work or not its all your opinion and good for you for making your gains but they are prob still noobs gains and i mean no offense by that.

[allstar]

Seriously Aron, I had a lot more respect for you than that descending, uncalled for, rude post you made. Statements like "be quiet" come on man.

As much as we all KNOW(as that's all we ever hear here) that diet is 80% of the game, this is the SUPPLEMENT section, when a supplement question is asked, I find it reasonable to answer what they ask and give them guidance in the area of supplements, as it would be no different than someone asking a diet question in the nutrition section and referring them to buy a fat burner. There is nothing at all wrong with suggesting to them to go the NUTRITION section and finding out about a good diet, but please lets not try to knock every supplement.

[T.O]

That's exactly my point great post allstar that all I wanted to get across. I would have totaly been cool had you tried the dam product. Glad not everyone took me a trying to be a ****. :)

[allstar]

Yeah when people knock a product after they tried it, than sure why not, but when you haven't tried a product its hard to knock it. Even if most supplements don't have studies that show they WORK, show me the studies that say they DON'T work.

[A-Ron21]

How did I fly off the handle? I think when someone says that I'm "bashing the products" and thus, the entire forum, that THAT is an example of flying off the handle. I didn't bash anything, and I was hardly rude. If I said something like, "shut up, *******! i hate you!" yeah, that would be rude and condescending. I was definitely a little annoyed, but saying that I'm rude and condescending is, well, flying off the handle.

Are you backing T.O. up because you guys are both orbit reps, who sponsors the forum? Keep in mind I didn't say anything about orbit or any of the sponsors of the forum for that matter. I mean, I don't care if you are, but you don't need say dramatic things like "I had a lot more respect for you".

Mitbar - no, I obviously haven't done studies on supplements and whatnot. This is the crux of my reasoning: 19 year old asks about non-hormonal supplements that will help him gain mass. I responded in that way because in ACTUAL LEAN MASS I think that they aren't going to do much. Yeah, it is my opinion. And my opinion is that I think its not really worth the money.

I'm sorry that you guys don't like that I directed him away from buying supplements, but after weightlifting for 5 years and not gaining any measurable mass from using tens to hundreds of different supplements, I think I have a pretty good base to make my opinion from. I've gained 85lbs in the past 5 years, and you know what gave me nearly all of those gains? Food. The rest? BCAAs, vitamins, creatine.

Looks guys, I'm not trying to be a **** here, but this is my way of thinking: when someone comes into the forum asking about a supplement, I am going to direct them towards what I absolutely know to work, so that person can avoid spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on products like I did, that may make them feel good, but won't put pounds on the scale.

You guys might think I'm a jerk or an idiot, but that's the way I feel. I'm not trying to start an e-argument, I'm giving my honest opinion. And I don't bash every supplement, come on.

[HiMet4590]

Ive taken both Prime and Anabolic-Pump(AP)
had zero results with Prime, went through 2 bottles at hardcore dosage

had great results with AP, still taking it actually, but i never ate anywhere near this good before i started it so i cant give the supplement full credit for my results

so if your going to buy one then hands down go with AP and buy a bunch of oats, brown rice and sweet potatoes lol youll be eating plenty of them

[mitbar]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

How did I fly off the handle? I think when someone says that I'm "bashing the products" and thus, the entire forum, that THAT is an example of flying off the handle. I didn't bash anything, and I was hardly rude. If I said something like, "shut up, *******! i hate you!" yeah, that would be rude and condescending. I was definitely a little annoyed, but saying that I'm rude and condescending is, well, flying off the handle.

Are you backing T.O. up because you guys are both orbit reps, who sponsors the forum? Keep in mind I didn't say anything about orbit or any of the sponsors of the forum for that matter. I mean, I don't care if you are, but you don't need say dramatic things like "I had a lot more respect for you".

Mitbar - no, I obviously haven't done studies on supplements and whatnot. This is the crux of my reasoning: 19 year old asks about non-hormonal supplements that will help him gain mass. I responded in that way because in ACTUAL LEAN MASS I think that they aren't going to do much. Yeah, it is my opinion. And my opinion is that I think its not really worth the money.

I'm sorry that you guys don't like that I directed him away from buying supplements, but after weightlifting for 5 years and not gaining any measurable mass from using tens to hundreds of different supplements, I think I have a pretty good base to make my opinion from. I've gained 85lbs in the past 5 years, and you know what gave me nearly all of those gains? Food. The rest? BCAAs, vitamins, creatine.

Looks guys, I'm not trying to be a **** here, but this is my way of thinking: when someone comes into the forum asking about a supplement, I am going to direct them towards what I absolutely know to work, so that person can avoid spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on products like I did, that may make them feel good, but won't put pounds on the scale.

You guys might think I'm a jerk or an idiot, but that's the way I feel. I'm not trying to start an e-argument, I'm giving my honest opinion. And I don't bash every supplement, come on.

we arent denying that food plays a big role dude, have you never thought that maybe for 5 years you werent lifting right or eating right? i know you will say you were so dont even answer that.....and by the way look at the color of my name and see if its green or yellow? last i checked it was yellow and i am not rep just a vip homie.

you did tell him to be quiet which is childish and in real life probably would have gone down a lot worse.

all i am saying is that over my life of lifting i tried many supps but never had everything dialed in like it was supposed to be and if you can gain 85lbs you were never large to begin with and had room to grow. just dont bash what you havent tried dude.....and be respectful no matter who it is replying.

[T.O]

There we go HIM 1000 reps for you. Lol exactly the post that I'm sure the poster was looking for.


No ARON this guy does not work for orbit. Legitimate member. Ok that was a bit childish of me :)