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Old 07-03-2009, 11:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have been informed countless times that muscletech products are backed by some ridiculous claims. However, I've also had a couple of people swear by this stack. Anyone have any experience with it?
 



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Old 07-03-2009, 02:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i ran two bottles of Leukic before i knew better save your $$$$$$$$
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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do not buy the Muscle ****** Tech horrible!
Advertising=money...money...money yea!
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I say: Nay Sir, Nay.
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I say nay to the nay sayers!
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I say nay to the nay sayers!
So you...SUPPORT the muscletech stuff? Whhhhaaaaaattt!
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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lol nah man, I just like saying Nay to the Nay sayers.
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:50 PM   #8 (permalink)
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What are you guys talking about, I gained 34.8 lbs of lean muscle in just 3 weeks using this stack... HELLO
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Old 07-04-2009, 01:07 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Forgot who said it in another supp thread (I'll see if I can find it): perfect stack that MORE than "a couple of people swear" is chicken stacked with brown rice. Repeat 6-8 times a day.
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Old 07-04-2009, 09:51 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Forgot who said it in another supp thread (I'll see if I can find it): perfect stack that MORE than "a couple of people swear" is chicken stacked with brown rice. Repeat 6-8 times a day.
I think that was Kaboom who said it, and I swear by it as well. Great for bulking and cutting!
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Old 07-04-2009, 11:35 AM   #11 (permalink)
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When I first started lifting I bought into that stuff...I guess I wanted to take 94 pills pre and post workout....I took it back to GNC (I was a sinner back then) and got my money back.
 
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't care if it is the popular opinion. Muscletech does have SOME good stuff. Cell tech is great. Anator is great. Everything else sucks. Leukic is 100% bull****.
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Leucik + Gakick + any of the other icks =Wack-ick
 
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Old 07-04-2009, 08:17 PM   #14 (permalink)
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That's very creative of you lol.
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my opinion is that if u have your diet sorted to perfection, you might feel something out of leukic, simply because its a really important amino acid. for the rest of us who are not pro it probably will have 0 effect. the best results i have ever got were when i made adjustments to my food plan
 
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I think you can get a LOT better results from taking a good BCAA supplement, lots of timed-release vitamin C, Whey protein shakes with a scoop of Creatine Mono added, and just hit the gym 5X a week..
 
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I think you can get a LOT better results from taking a good BCAA supplement, lots of timed-release vitamin C, Whey protein shakes with a scoop of Creatine Mono added, and just hit the gym 5X a week..
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5x a week is probably too much especially if you're training to failure. You'll probably end up too sore to train the next time. BCAAs are a waste of money, if you take whey you get plenty of BCAAs unless you're on a cut save your money. Excess vitamins are excreted in the urine as waste, extra vitamin C doesn't do any good.
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Really A-ron? Why do you need extra vitamin C and BCAAs?
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Really A-ron? Why do you need extra vitamin C and BCAAs?
Athletes need more BCAA and vitamins than regular people. I would say because vitamin C is used in collagen formation (your joints) as well as it can improve your testosterone to cortisol ratio by 20%, which is very good for a cheap little supplement.

BCAAs are definitely useful because the leucine helps recovery. I started taking leucine along with my protein and I recover MUCH MUCH faster than before. I would say a full profile amino acid supplement, ie. one with all 20 amino acids, would be the best.

Case in point - ever have a wart on your hand? I used to have 14 warts on my right hand and 12 on my left, SINCE 8th GRADE. You have no idea how much that sucks. I tried freezing, burning, slicing, whatever. Turns out I was deficient in the amino acid lysine. I took a 7 dollar bottle of lysine for one month and they've been gone for two years. True story.


You have a good point though, everything is fine until you go overboard. Extra is good. But too much vitamin C (above 3-4grams per day) will cause you to get scurvy when you stop taking it.
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I NEED the Whey shakes to kill my appetite at work- I don't get a lunch hour as we just work 8hr. straight. 2 shakes mixed thick, with 5g creatine in each really helps as well. Since I took BCAA's I have really noticed a positive difference in all areas of my life in terms of NOT getting sick, etc.... The Esther C I take is timed-release and is the "smart" way to take it, vitamin C helps bind together the cell walls and repair the body- when I was in the Army/Airborne if we took a "bad" fall Sarge would send us to dispensary (on base hospital/pharmacy) for vitamin C powder, and guys would literally recover in DAYS and not WEEKS.... I saw this myself and use it today!!!!!
 
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I agree that athletes need more of each but we're eatnig like 4000 calories a day plus a multi. If you take a multi and drink a glass of OJ you should be fine on the vitamin C.

I just don't see why more BCAAs is necessary, were you getting protein shakes where you have the BCAAs now? I agree that a full amino acids tablet would be better, but hey that's exactly what a protein shake is. Well basically.

Yeah I've had 2 warts in my life one on my hand on one on a toe, both just went away on their own. Leucine and certain amino acids definitely have their place but I think that the only area you'd benefit from it would be if it's taken during your work out. Other wise you should have plenty of complete protein sources in your diet.

I'd recommend just buying leucine and leaving it at that.
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Yeah vitamin C helps you recover from illness but extra above and beyond that it a waste. I'll read up on it right now to refresh my memory.
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Alright after some research here's what I got. The RDA recommends just 90mg for men. Ok we're bodybuilders so what double it to be safe. Even then it's only 180mg or .180g. The "upper level" for adults is 2000mg. My multi has 90mg and I drink another 90mg or more in OJ. 10mg of vitamin C is all that's needed a day to not get scurvy. But it doesn't saturate the tissues, well 100mg has a 96% chance of fully saturating the tissues.

Taking more than 2000mg a day can lead to toxic amounts in the body. Take iron with vitamin C because vitamin C enhances iron absorption in the intestines.

Ya ever eat broccoli, tomatoes, oranges, strawberries, watermelon, red bell peppers, kiwi or brussel sprouts. If you do you probably already have more than enough vitamin C.

Here's a quote"At about 200 milligrams, absorption reaches a maximum, and there is little, if any, increase in blood concentrations at higher doses. .Excess vitamin C is readily excreted."

So yeah drop the supp.
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You are 16 and can eat whatever you want, I did with no ill effect until I was around 32 or so, then I had to watch carbs, or else I'd just look like anyone you see in the malls. That's why I have to eat and supplement for what works for me, if everybody else did you wouldn't see the eye-stinging sights we see on the streets, malls, buses, etc....
 
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Mike, I meant more the extra vitamin C for the cortisol reduction, not necessarily anything else. Also, the RDA guidelines are... for lack of a better word, made up. Sort of. Those are NOT adjusted for anyone in particular, they are the most general of the general. You should always keep in mind the the guidelines provided by the government are not optimal levels, they are just made to prevent a deficiency.

Furthermore, there are studies showing that vitamin C doesn't really do anything for your immune system. It does a whole lot of other things, but not so much immune support. Thats straight from the mouth of one of the leading biochemists in the country, so if he tells me its true, then I'm taking his word for it.

I recommended to take the full spectrum amino acids in order to prevent deficiency in any one amino acid, just to clarify.

Finally, I know that vitamin C isn't toxic at doses of upwards of 30grams. I'm not sure where you read 2000mg, but thats definitely wrong. I used to take 3000mg per day. Its NOT recommended to take 4000mg or more per day for an extended period, not because of toxicity but because of the risk of scurvy after discontinuation.

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THE MECHANISM OF THE EXCRETION OF VITAMIN C BY THE DOG KIDNEY -- Sherry et al. 130 (2): 276 -- AJP - Legacy

What the second page is saying is that the vit. c gets re-absorbed in the tubules of the kidneys, and so not all of it gets excreted.
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Well that's kind of my point just because it works for you in your special carb restricted (cutting?) diet doesn't mean it will work for someone on a bulk diet. And indeed it wouldn't for someone on a bulk. Since you have to limit the food you eat and therefore maybe don't get enough BCAAs or vitamin C it's useful for you to supplement one or both of those. That's why I said to use BCAAs only on a bulk.
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Old 07-05-2009, 12:03 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I know the RDA isn't set in stone, oh believe me I know that. Chromium also reduces cortisol. How are you gonna get a deficiency of an amino acids if you eat complete proteins? I'm on a constant bulk because my body doesn't store much fat so yes I have to supplement less than other people. But still if your on a bulk and eat enough protein it's highly unlikely to develop a deficiency in amino acids.

I'm not denying that vitamin C has other uses but at 100% saturation of the bodily tissues I don't think adding more would have any added benefit.

Sorry I misread the toxic amount, 2000mg is the maximum amount that Understanding Nutrition says an adult has any reason to take in a day.

Yes, vitamin C is partially recycled by the body and reused, I remember reading that part.

What more can your body do after the tissues are saturated? I think this is our main point of disagreement.
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I know the RDA isn't set in stone, oh believe me I know that. Chromium also reduces cortisol. How are you gonna get a deficiency of an amino acids if you eat complete proteins? I'm on a constant bulk because my body doesn't store much fat so yes I have to supplement less than other people. But still if your on a bulk and eat enough protein it's highly unlikely to develop a deficiency in amino acids.

I'm not denying that vitamin C has other uses but at 100% saturation of the bodily tissues I don't think adding more would have any added benefit.

Sorry I misread the toxic amount, 2000mg is the maximum amount that Understanding Nutrition says an adult has any reason to take in a day.

Yes, vitamin C is partially recycled by the body and reused, I remember reading that part.

What more can your body do after the tissues are saturated? I think this is our main point of disagreement.
Oh I wasn't disagreeing with you about the use after saturation, I was pointing out the difference that exists between saturation levels for athletes and the normal people, thats all.

As for the amino acids, because athletes are going to need more of all the aminos. I know I already said that, but if you someone like me, I eat complete proteins all the time and for some reason I had a lysine deficiency. So I guess my final reason would be because some people have weird things that go on with their bodies where they may not get all the aminos.

I wouldn't take a lot of chromium to reduce cortisol though, because its a metal, but thats obivous.
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Yeah I don't take a lot of chromium. Actually just what I get from the my multivitamin and diet. I was actually thinking of dropping the vitamin because my diet's so good that I'm getting 100% or more of most vitamins and mineral. What I do is record everything I eat get 1g/lbs of complete protein. Then for all the incomplete proteins I eat I put an X next to them then I mix up the two incomplete proteins. I match the incomplete proteins based on the amino acids that complement each other and make each other complete. If that made sense.

But we can both agree that 180mg is definitely enough to saturated the tissues? Past the point of saturation what would extra do, this is what I'm not understanding here.
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