Leukic + Gakic stack

**A-Ron21** · 07-05-2009, 04:05 PM

I totally understand what you mean. Its the same reason why most of the world lives on rice and beans, because the proteins are complimentary. I still disagree about the vitamin C though. I think any athlete is going to need much more, mostly because of its cortisol controlling properties, and its ability to reduce oxidized species in the blood.

Also, if you look at page 3 of this study, it shows the concentrations of ascorbic acid in most major organs, and the concentrations add up to more than 180mg.
If you look at page 5, it shows that the entire bodily storage adds up to much more than that.

I would say that taking in more than the RDA still will have a positive effect because although the excess will eventually get secreted, it acts as an antioxidant while its in the blood. So a time released vitamin C supplement would be the best.

http://www.hms.uq.edu.au/docs/jpeake...JSNEM-2003.pdf

**MikeNYY420** · 07-05-2009, 04:37 PM

That's a good point. I think I'll start drinking an extra cup of orange juice haha, That should definitely give me all I need. Add that in with the rest of the food I eat and I should have enough, I don't think I need a supplement though. I couldn't find teh cortisol lowering effect that you mentioned.

So to keep the total saturation we should be sure to take in more than 180mg?

**A-Ron21** · 07-05-2009, 05:05 PM

Definitely dude. You are an athlete, and you need lots of vitamins. You should still take a multi, eatings fruits and veggies, while very good, still doesn't give you a solid dose of all the vitamins and minerals you need. Buts its obviously good that you have a good diet.

**MikeNYY420** · 07-05-2009, 06:13 PM

Yeah I'm not actually gonna stop taking the multi, the thought crossed my mind but it's probably not a good idea. Good discussion though, you definitely know your vitamin C haha.

**T.O** · 07-05-2009, 08:10 PM

Just thought I would throw this in here being around this forum for a while. I just find it funny how some of us will swear how we dont need certain supplements becuase study shows etc, and we get enough because etc, but then in another thread share that they bought the supplemet anyways or are asking for the best brand or value for the money. This is not directed towards anyone but if I had a dollar for everytime someone said they didnt need nitric oxide or its a waste of money and then buys it anyways Id be filthy rich :)

stateofmind25 · 07-06-2009, 12:21 AM

...rename thread mike vs. a-ron the vitamin c showdown!!! LOL

GeorgeT · 07-06-2009, 12:45 AM

im tagging in state of mind,

i swear by 200mcg chromium w/ meal prewo and 1g vit-c, 400iu vit-e, multi-v, multi-m postwo ive seen a big difference :) gaining size on a cut @ 300g p, 80g c, 20g f.

as far as leukic and gakic, while muscletech does have good products they're prices suck ASS, if it was cheaper id buy a couple of their products, nano x9 being one <---love that ****. But you're better off just buying plain leucine and taking it w/ creatine + 30-50g dextrose/maltodextrin/wms like right after your last set. Tried for a week and it worked out good, then i had to start cutting again :(

mike, i beleive toxicity is @ 3g. i went up that high for like a week no prob, i know there were guys experimenting at 18g ED

**T.O** · 07-06-2009, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeT

im tagging in state of mind,

i swear by 200mcg chromium w/ meal prewo and 1g vit-c, 400iu vit-e, multi-v, multi-m postwo ive seen a big difference :) gaining size on a cut @ 300g p, 80g c, 20g f.

as far as leukic and gakic, while muscletech does have good products they're prices suck ASS, if it was cheaper id buy a couple of their products, nano x9 being one <---love that ****. But you're better off just buying plain leucine and taking it w/ creatine + 30-50g dextrose/maltodextrin/wms like right after your last set. Tried for a week and it worked out good, then i had to start cutting again :(

mike, i beleive toxicity is @ 3g. i went up that high for like a week no prob, i know there were guys experimenting at 18g ED

Or Anabolic 411 BCAA with a 411 ratio

**A-Ron21** · 07-06-2009, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stateofmind25

...rename thread mike vs. a-ron the vitamin c showdown!!! LOL

Haha nah it was a good discussion. I've been taking leucine and dextrose after my workouts for the past month and I've gained about 7lbs already. Its freaking awesome.

**MikeNYY420** · 07-06-2009, 02:16 AM

How much leucine are you taking. I'll try leucine during and PWO. I'm not saying I'm gonna go buy a BCAA though haha. I laughed at the star wars guys too lol.

**A-Ron21** · 07-06-2009, 12:30 PM

3g immediately post work out with 35g dextrose, then 15 minutes later i have my shake, then 3g leucine before bed.

**MikeNYY420** · 07-06-2009, 06:54 PM

You don't eat a PPWO meal?

**A-Ron21** · 07-06-2009, 07:47 PM

Of course I do, I didnt necessarily mean they were right in a row. I usually work out in the mid morning. i was just including when I took the second dose of leucine.

**MikeNYY420** · 07-06-2009, 09:39 PM

Oh I see I misunderstood.

HiMet4590 · 07-07-2009, 12:11 AM

3g leucine before bed huh? interesting never thought about that, do you take that before your bedtime meal or with it?

**A-Ron21** · 07-07-2009, 02:07 AM

I take it after or with it, whatever, really. Tonight I had a shake half an hour ago and put the leucine in it.

stateofmind25 · 07-07-2009, 08:27 PM

All in good fun gentlemen...I enjoy my BCAA's and vit c as much as the next guy....I do think its funny that people wait until they are way sick to start taking vit c....too little too late, but its better than not at all I guess!