[wyoguy]

Just curious to know what you guys think are the best test boosters on the market today. anabolic matrix? 17hd? there are so many I would just like to see who like what and why.What are the best blends? combos? thanks

[Chimera]

A-ron made a great sticky about test boosters here.

I would focus more on diet and training over a test booster. The only time I believe an over-the-counter test booster would be beneficial would be on a PCT to a mild / weak prohormone. I cannot name any good products for a decent test booster, sorry.

[wyoguy]

thanks ill read it.. the inquiry is for a future pct

[wyoguy]

Originally Posted by Chimera

A-ron made a great sticky about test boosters here.

I would focus more on diet and training over a test booster. The only time I believe an over-the-counter test booster would be beneficial would be on a PCT to a mild / weak prohormone. I cannot name any good products for a decent test booster, sorry.

Ok I read the sticky and did not find what I needed..I am 37 not 18 lol.I have been lifting and taking supplements since high school and am just looking for opinions on what products are the best,not why I shouldn't use them.appreciate the reply though.

[bigjohn510]

look into the animal pak stak thats what i think its called and yeah they have a phone number and can answer questions and really helpful with their supplements not too expensive either if u buy online

[Addicted2Liftin]

Havoc by RPN (Epistane) or Spawn by Myogenix (Epistane/Tren Blend)...or just look into getting some tribulus..

-A2L

[wyoguy]

cool I have animal stack sittin here.. and formadrol and an asrteroid stack..sdrol, epi ,sdrol ng and h4 . just stuff I have accumulated over the last few years.I like seeing what different people are using while I get my diet and training dialed for a cycle sometime in the future.

[A-Ron21]

Hey dude, if you are 38 I would first try asking your doctor about getting testosterone replacement in the form of injections or androgel. That would be the best option for you, tell your doctor that you have reduced appetite, trouble getting erections, low libido, reduced muscle mass, and that you don't have as much energy.
They'll probably take a blood test, and since you are 38 anyways, chances are you'll be able to get a prescription for testosterone.


As to the prohormones, not to knock what the other guys posted here, but at your age taking prohormones OTC is only going to be a temporary option for several reasons :

-expense
-health detriments
-availability

Having a testosterone prescription will be 100 times better. A 4 week cycle of epistane might be easy to get, but they'll eventually start stressing your liver, and you don't want liver problems at your age.

[BarbarianWarrior]

Test-booster? Why not just go on the sauce?!?!!

[wyoguy]

lol..mainly its for pct after a epi or sdrol cycle... the "sauce" isnt for me quite yet man.

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by wyoguy

lol..mainly its for pct after a epi or sdrol cycle... the "sauce" isnt for me quite yet man.

Oral prohormones are going to be WAY more detrimental to your body than just sticking yourself with a needle and using testosterone. You should check out what I said above, about getting test replacement therapy. That would eliminate all guesswork and hassle.

[wyoguy]

I am checkin into it but androgel is $250+ per month because I dont have insurance..And I cant find anywhere to get test in my town. AND I have searched and searched for test e & c and get directed to other sites and other products and can never find what i . I would love to just get test but it seems impossible in lil ol wyoming lol.

[wyoguy]

besides the expense I really dont like needles but hey.. we will see

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by wyoguy

I am checkin into it but androgel is $250+ per month because I dont have insurance..And I cant find anywhere to get test in my town. AND I have searched and searched for test e & c and get directed to other sites and other products and can never find what i . I would love to just get test but it seems impossible in lil ol wyoming lol.

how much do you think repeated cycles of superdrol/whatever and the PCT and liver supps combined are gonna cost? More than that, thats for sure.

[Addicted2Liftin]

It's not difficult at all to get test, no matter where you are in america....unless you try and get it from a doc that is...do some minimal research and you'll see what i mean..

-A2L

[toku58]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

Hey dude, if you are 38 I would first try asking your doctor about getting testosterone replacement in the form of injections or androgel. That would be the best option for you, tell your doctor that you have reduced appetite, trouble getting erections, low libido, reduced muscle mass, and that you don't have as much energy.
They'll probably take a blood test, and since you are 38 anyways, chances are you'll be able to get a prescription for testosterone.

I'm 41 and fairly in shape for my years. Do you still think a doctor would give me testosterone prescription?

If they don't?
I sort of need a PCT if I plan to do some PH.

Someone recommended "Gaspari Nutrition Novedex XT" They said it was almost as good as "Nolvadex"

Does anyone have any input on this PCT?

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by toku58

I'm 41 and fairly in shape for my years. Do you still think a doctor would give me testosterone prescription?

If they don't?
I sort of need a PCT if I plan to do some PH.

Someone recommended "Gaspari Nutrition Novedex XT" They said it was almost as good as "Nolvadex"

Does anyone have any input on this PCT?

Absolutely. Your test levels have probably declined. Ask yourself these: do you feel tired after dinner? Not as much energy throughout the day? Trouble keeping erections / low libido? Low appetite? Those are pretty good indicators your test is low. And you are middle aged so its probably lower anyways.

Novadex XT is an aromatase inhibitor. Its pretty strong for an OTC product. The idea is that it keeps your testosterone from converting to estrogen and so because that system operates on a negative feedback loops, your body keeps making more testosterone. The problem is that having too little estrogen is bad in itself. It will be 1000 times better to get a REAL prescription for the actual hormone you need rather than take an OTC product that may or may not do anything, and is expensive.

If you use any strong prohormones you would want to use a prescription drug like clomid for PCT. Tamoxifen (nolvadex) is good, but it is hard on your liver. At age 41, you do not want liver problems. In fact, I would ABSOLUTELY recommend getting a testosterone prescription because oral PHs are going to be VERY hard on your liver. Testosterone you can take as long as you'd like, and, having it prescribed by a doctor means you have a backup if you have problems.

[MikeNYY420]

Originally Posted by Addicted2Liftin

Havoc by RPN (Epistane) or Spawn by Myogenix (Epistane/Tren Blend)...or just look into getting some tribulus..

-A2L

I was thinking about trying tribulus, there's no clinical studies that I could find backing it's use. Only studies conducted by the company selling it, which means that the claims will be exaggerated.

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by MikeNYY420

I was thinking about trying tribulus, there's no clinical studies that I could find backing it's use. Only studies conducted by the company selling it, which means that the claims will be exaggerated.

Theres no logical way it could work. When your body makes testosterone, it aromatizes to estrogen, which tells your hypothalamus that you have enough testosterone, so it stops telling your anterior pituitary to release LH. So if you boosted your LH, you would have more testosterone ONLY TEMPORARILY, and shortly thereafter you would stop making extra.

That is, IF tribulus even works, which I doubt it does. Zinc and vitamin C would probably do a better job, because those are well evaluated substances. Zinc is a weak aromatase inhibitor and vit. C can improve your cortisol to testosterone ratio by 20%.

Just don't overdose on zinc, keep it to 25-50mg/day.

Don't take over 2 grams (thats 2000mg) of vit. C per day for a long period of time, otherwise when you stop, you'll get scurvy.

[toku58]

Thanks for th info A-ron! So far I don't have any of those symptoms. Well maybe feeling tired after a big meal. LOL!
Do you think if I can talk my doctor into testosterone boosters? Would they give Deca?
Also would I need to be worried about my natural production shutting down?

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by toku58

Thanks for th info A-ron! So far I don't have any of those symptoms. Well maybe feeling tired after a big meal. LOL!
Do you think if I can talk my doctor into testosterone boosters? Would they give Deca?
Also would I need to be worried about my natural production shutting down?

Sure man! Ok, I want to clarify some things for you. Deca-durabolin (nandrolone) is a VERY potent anabolic steroid. Its a different form of testosterone. They would NOT give that to you, not in a million years. Its only prescribed to people who have severe muscle wasting disorders or advanced HIV infection (AIDS). It would NOT be a good testosterone replacement because it would destroy your libido, and I think it is slightly liver toxic, although I'm not sure.

Also, its not a testosterone BOOSTER, per se. Its a testosterone REPLACEMENT. When a doctor gives you a test injection or gel, that LITERALLY IS TESTOSTERONE, its NOT boosting your current testosterone. You get it because your body isn't making any test. When you do take it, your body stops making testosterone altogether because its already getting it from an outside source.

So yes, your natural production would shut down, but since you are middle aged, thats not a big deal because you aren't making much anyways. Ask you doctor for testosterone replacement therapy. He/she will most likely prescribe androgel or something similar. Its a testosterone gel that you rub in. The other option is a weekly/bi-weekly testosterone injection, which is a pain because its not a gel. Either way, it will restore your test levels to the normal range, probably in the 300-400's, which is about the level of a 25-30 year old average male. You WILL be able to gain muscle and do all the stuff you did when you were in your 20's with it. It works well.

Let me know if you have any other questions, although I think at this point you should have enough info at your disposal to ask your doctor for test replacement therapy.


TO EVERYBODY ASKING ABOUT TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT

The Official Site of AndroGel

Is the website for androgel. Its pretty useful, although they use stupid terminology like "I have low T levels!" which makes them sound like idiots. Its testosterone. They have to pussify it because most people are afraid of the word testosterone. Either way, have a look at the website, because thats most likely what you'll get.

[MikeNYY420]

Originally Posted by A-Ron21

Theres no logical way it could work. When your body makes testosterone, it aromatizes to estrogen, which tells your hypothalamus that you have enough testosterone, so it stops telling your anterior pituitary to release LH. So if you boosted your LH, you would have more testosterone ONLY TEMPORARILY, and shortly thereafter you would stop making extra.

That is, IF tribulus even works, which I doubt it does. Zinc and vitamin C would probably do a better job, because those are well evaluated substances. Zinc is a weak aromatase inhibitor and vit. C can improve your cortisol to testosterone ratio by 20%.

Just don't overdose on zinc, keep it to 25-50mg/day.

Don't take over 2 grams (thats 2000mg) of vit. C per day for a long period of time, otherwise when you stop, you'll get scurvy.

Oh right, you're the one that I heard about tribulus from on this site. Good stuff A-Ron. What are your thoughts on ZMA, zinc, magnesium and vitamin b. From what I could find only studies by the manufacturer have been conducted that produce favorable results. I think that getting a normal amount of zinc and magnesium from the diet and multivitamin should be enough. 100% DV, of course 100% DV doesnt' include bodybuilders so I guess our needs are higher than a 2000 calorie consuming woman. Does getting more than 100mg of vitamin C have positive effects or do you just pissed it out. I read that in some nutrition book I think.

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by MikeNYY420

Oh right, you're the one that I heard about tribulus from on this site. Good stuff A-Ron. What are your thoughts on ZMA, zinc, magnesium and vitamin b. From what I could find only studies by the manufacturer have been conducted that produce favorable results. I think that getting a normal amount of zinc and magnesium from the diet and multivitamin should be enough. 100% DV, of course 100% DV doesnt' include bodybuilders so I guess our needs are higher than a 2000 calorie consuming woman. Does getting more than 100mg of vitamin C have positive effects or do you just pissed it out. I read that in some nutrition book I think.

Well which B-vitamin exactly are you talking about? Theres a bunch of them lol. I take zinc, magnesium, and vit. B12. I take the Zn and Mg before bed and it works awesome. Don't buy actual ZMA, its a waste of money. Just buy the zinc and magnesium by themselves. The vit. B6 in ZMA (i bought it once) gave me CRAZY dreams.

I take vit B12 to support my appetite, I think it works. lol

Yeah, a regular multi usually isn't enough for those minerals, although you do get extra in your food.

[MikeNYY420]

Yeah I know, I think it's b6, I assumed you'd know haha. I take 250mgs of magnesium once daily plus the multi plus what I eat. So you think 250mg of magnesium before bed along with like 20mg zinc. I have vitamin b12 tablets that I could take too.

[A-Ron21]

Originally Posted by MikeNYY420

Yeah I know, I think it's b6, I assumed you'd know haha. I take 250mgs of magnesium once daily plus the multi plus what I eat. So you think 250mg of magnesium before bed along with like 20mg zinc. I have vitamin b12 tablets that I could take too.

That would be good dude. I usually just take the b12 earlier in the day though.

[MikeNYY420]

Sounds good I'll grab some zinc and b6. Take the b12 early in the day because of the energetic factor?

[A-Ron21]

Nah, just to increase my appetite.

[MikeNYY420]

I'll take 8 then haha I need more appetite.